Sam Houston State vs Texas

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  1. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Church pitches the eighth, for SHS.

    Barrera leads off righty, for the Horns.
    A come backer to Church goes 1-3.

    Hinojosa bats righty, with one away.
    He singles to center, on a line, for a runner.

    Clemens bats lefty, with one on and one down.
    A ground ball to second and the 4-6-3 will be an inning ending double play.

    Eight played and it's 5-0 Bearkats.
     
  2. NBHorn7

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    Ty Marlow, will pitch the ninth, for the Horns. He's a senior right hander.

    The righty slugger is Rahm, with three hits in the game, leads off.
    A ground ball to third, is his first out of the night.

    One down for Winne, batting right handed.
    A ground ball to first goes 3U, for two away.

    Brinley bats lefty, with two down.
    A ground ball to second, it retires the side in order.

    Bottom of the ninth, SHS leads 5-0. Shock me Horns and at least break up the shutout.
     
  3. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    Well, it ain't all pitching.... we got a 0 up on the board. There is a lack of hitting the baseball too.

    Final: Bearkats 5 Texas 0:angry:
     
  4. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Church looks to close out the game for the Bearkats.

    Shaw leads off batting lefty, for Texas.
    He walks on four pitches, to reach.

    Baker bats righty, with one on.
    Another ball brings out the pitching coach.
    A can of corn to center and that's one down.

    Marlow bats lefty, with one on and one gone.
    A balk sends Shaw to second.
    Another little chopper to first, goes for another 3U, two down.

    Johnson bats righty, with one on and two down.
    A soft fly to center will end the agony.

    The Bearkats win 5-0. I will try to lessen my disgust and come back.
     
  5. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    They can't score a run for anything. This is a comically bad offensive team.
     
  6. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    Anyone else find Augie and Barnes' career ark eerily similar from last season to this one? Both had much better seasons than expected last year and made some noise in the post-season (baseball a little more noise than basketball), both came into this season with talent and a lot of expectations, both played well early and then tanked for all intents and purposes.

    There's a whole bunch of symmetry there and I bet the end of the baseball season winds up just like the basketball season did.
     
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  7. NBHorn7

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    Just when you think, the hitting can't get any worse, they do. Three hits in the game against a 19-19 Sam Houston State team. I don't even know what to say anymore about the offense.

    Sawyer has been struggling and finally someone mentioned how the loss of Morgan Cooper has hurt the pitching staff.
    That guy from D1 baseball mentioned it. How demoralizing it has to be for the pitchers to know, if they aren't practically perfect, the game is over.

    This has to be changed, it's just a matter of how and when. At the least, a top notch hitting coach has to come in as an adviser this year, then one as a replacement for Nicholson, next year. You know the other change that could be made. At this point, the numerous empty seats speak volumes too. This is what speaks to Patterson. Well Steve, they are yelling at you on LHN. Does this mean you will lower the baseball tickets next season, after the ridiculous increase you made for this year? I think we all know the answer to that question. You could make more money, if we could regularly host a regional again. Instead we watch Rice, TCU, and now even A&M host them.

    This makes a mockery of a proud Texas Baseball program, it would be be less than truthful to put it any other way. I don't work for the University, nobody on LHN or the radio will say it. It's gone on for years, I don't need to keep harping on it. It's time to change things up, actually it's way past time. :hookem:
     
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  8. TxnByBirth

    TxnByBirth 1,000+ Posts

    I'll do you one better, NB, and say it's time for the head coach to move along at the end of the season. At some point the players just don't listen any more. It pains me because I think it will cost us Skip as the pitching coach if Augie is fired/retires, but it needs to happen.
     
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  9. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    NewBoston7, I must admit that I thought I would never see this sorry of a baseball product in my lifetime. I have lived too long.
     
  10. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    What about the mental errors tonight? Simple things - two times Ben Johnson failed to hit his cut off man when he had no chance to get the runner at home. Hinojosa letting a ball drop in front of him at left field that a real left fielder should have caught. The balk, wild pitch and all in one game.

    And why was Hinojosa in left field? It looks like a coaching staff in disarray to me, but you experts may know the reason.

    One question - has rotating Barrera and Cantu at catcher / 1b / dh been a mistake?
     
  11. STHAustin

    STHAustin 250+ Posts

    Do you think it may have been a mistake because the pitchers have to adjust to a different catcher? Or because Cantu and Barrera have to adjust to the different position? I like to see Cantu behind the plate because, obviously, he can throw out base runners.

    This season is getting more painful to watch all the time--so much like 2013 when I couldn't wait for it to just end. But I don't know how you fire the winningest coach in college baseball who was oh-so-close to the championship series just last year. And yes, I know it was because the pitching & defense covered for bad offensive performances, but they managed to win when it counted. Are there coaches out there who can help these guys hit--especially with RISP? Is it just a mind game now?

    Unfortunately, I'm afraid they won't get a chance to "win when it counts" this year, but who knows? Miracles happen--I guess.
     
  12. NBHorn7

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    Sometimes it's hard to keep up with all the different aspects of errors going on, especially when having to type answers.
    I did notice the mental errors too, which goes along with the base running mistakes. I just don't have the time to type everything that happens. They are bad things as well, but pale besides the depth of the hitting ineptness, which has been going on for years.

    All the different lineups are an attempt to get as much offense in the lineup as possible. When you have as many hitters slumping or just not able to hit, it doesn't matter a whole lot. That included the Cantu and Barrera rotation. Clemens got off to a very shaky start, as a pitcher. His defense at first is stellar. It saves runs by preventing throwing errors, with his scoops and long stretches. He just has a great glove that's hard to keep out of the lineup. It's not like many are hitting any better. The rotation has not been a big mistake, nor has it been the answer either. Hinojosa is not an outfielder, but again, every attempt is being made, at least in a different lineup way, to get more offense. I described it once as, shuffling the chairs on the Titannic. The boat is still sinking.

    One coach that is not in disarray and may be the best in the country, at what he does is Skip Johnson. He is working this year with a short deck, due to injuries to Hollingsworth, Goins, Marlow, and above all the very talented Morgan Cooper. The long extra inning games and constant pressure, due to the continual lack of any run support has been very taxing, to say the least. Also this is a very young staff and this is the new ball era. Remember the new ball, it's helped nearly all other college hitters, but ours has gotten worse.

    The succuess of last season only happened, because the pitching became super human down the stretch and even better in post season. You can look it up. The terrible run production was there last season, the pitching just covered it up, for the most part. There is just so little difference in the baseball teams between 2012-2015, other than the pitching. Well the 2015 team is starting to exceed all the past futility in hitting.

    The pitching is fine. With all the injuries, being overworked, stressed beyond belief,the new baseball and being very young. The era coming into this game was 2.87. That's 17th in the nation of about 300 D1 schools playing baseball. The team won last year, when it counted because the pitching was just that good. See Hollingsworth in the Houston Regional, the Supers, and the CWS. It's unreasonable to think that could happen again and certainly not this year, with all the reasons I have pointed out.

    In contrast, the team batting average was .246, coming into tonight's game. That ranks 258th of those 300 D1 teams. It's even lower now.
     
  13. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    Well said. So is Augie recruiting the wrong type of players to Texas? Wasn't that a problem with Mack and especially Barnes at the end? I was a big fan of Barnes here, but it seemed like he did not adjust to the changes in the game and continued to recruit the same type of players. Good guys but not offsensive minded.

    Augie seems to be getting good players on paper, but you look at other teams with less stellar recruiting classes and the players seem different. Easy to post when the losses are piling up!

    BTW, you are correct about it not being reasonable to think what happened last year could happen again. But expectations are expectations and wasn't it Augie himself who set the stage for the high expectations? I believe he said something about a national championship within a couple of years?
     
  14. NBHorn7

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    Expectations at a premier program like the Texas Baseball program is a given. It should be that way, we have it all and that should include recruiting. We should be sufficient, at the very least, in all aspects of the game, that hasn't been the case in years. Can you have the occasional bad season, of course you can. It's well beyond that stage and that is just not acceptable.

    I see players that everyone wants, players that most thought would sign with the pros, but came here. I see these players hit well in fall ball. Then most even hit well at the start of the season and then the bottom falls out, for some reason. This was the season of the new baseball, it was thought by most and that includes myself, the hitting would be better by default. It has gotten worse, I have no other recourse than to think, something in the way these players are handled, in the hitting approach, is wrong. I wish I could see them practice and see what is going on. When I still lived in Austin, I would often go to practices and watch, to see such things.

    Augie has only two years left on his contract, so it would have to be in that span. I can't see Patterson letting him have another contract and coach into his 80's. He would really like Augie to get to 2000 wins, the promotion that he could have for that last season and the 2000th win is the kind of thing that Patterson loves. Augie would have a record number of wins, that nobody would ever be able to touch and he could retire on top, even without another national title. If that did happen, it would just be icing on the cake. Right now we are having trouble just baking a cake.

    The heat will be on for some kind of change. I see that change being Nicholson being canned. Then Patterson can point to a change and hope for the best, for next season. After that, there is only one season left on Augie's contract. If things still go bad, he can say that he can't fire a coach like Augie, who has done so much for the University. One that is also so close to a milestone, no coach has ever reached. In some ways it's like the Brown situation and in some ways it's not.

    I'm not saying this is the right thing to do, but this is how I see it playing out, unless the team totally craters next year, or Augie steps down on his own.
     
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  15. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I really want to see Augie get to 2,000 wins just for the prestige it brings to UT. That being said, it is on Augie to get it. Getting swept by Nebraska and Okie State and losing to Sam Houston, Corpus and UTA does not get him to 2,000 wins. I really want to see Augie get to 2,000 wins with some great CWS runs. I am willing to give him one more year no matter what. However, I am not willing to let Augie linger around forever to get to 2,000 wins. If this team does not rally and we have another bad year next year, then Augie failed to make 2,000 wins happen. It's as simple as that.

    Also, I do not buy last year being a mirage. 1990 Texas Longhorn Football was a mirage as evidenced by the Miami Cotton Bowl. Last year we beat the national champion 4-0 then lost 3-4. We were one run away from playing for a national title. Mirages are not that close to a national title. Mirages get destroyed by Miami in the Cotton Bowl. Augie has some magic left, but he better find it quickly if he wants to finish his contract or achieve 2,000 wins.
     
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  16. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Just f'n win. That is the Texas standard. It isn't happening right now.
     
  17. NBHorn7

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    The pitching got us there and made the run there. We weren't one run away from the national title. We didn't even make the National Title three game series. We were beaten on a topped roller to short, with a fast batter running to beat the throw at first.

    If the out had been recorded, it would have continued the game to the next inning tied, to determine which team, won our division, to play the other division winner, in the two of three title series. Even if we did beat Vandy, that doesn't mean we would automatically win the next series and the National Championship. Anything could happen in that series.

    The pitching had two shutout wins in Omaha and one in the Supers. Every advancement was because of the super pitching, which is totally run by Skip Johnson. You bet it was mirage that covered up the horrible offense. Last season is book ended by two years of bad seasons, with the only difference, the pitching went from very good too phenomenal. The 2012 team didn't make a regional either.

    The only coach that has shown any magic in the last few years is Skip. That was a magical run, fueled by super pitching, not likely to be seen again, with the new ball in play. Without that run, it would have most likely been the end of the line for Augie, after this season.

    National Titles are seldom won by one dimensional teams, the 2014 baseball team, was about as one dimensional as you can get and still succeed. It was a minor miracle that the pitching alone, took it that far in the post season.
     
  18. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Prediction Contest Manager

    Can you explain the differences from the old and new ball for us baseball layman?
     
  19. NBHorn7

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  20. militaryhorn

    militaryhorn Prediction Contest Manager

    Thanks NB, maybe I am looking at this to simplistic. No matter what ball you have, don't you still have to hit it and place it in an area where it can't be fielded immediately?
     
  21. NBHorn7

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    I believe that is a constant variable that never changes. I said awhile back that it didn't matter if the ball was square, if you can't make contact. I have talked about how strike outs prevents production and the strikeouts are alarming the last few years.

    That being said, when the new ball is struck reasonably well, it produces less drag and goes further than the old ball did. That gives a better chance of it being placed in an area, where it can't be fielded immediately.

    That's why it helps hitting and hurts pitching. The flatter seam also hurts the grips of pitchers. This means it's harder for them to throw the types of breaking pitches, they had in the past. It's an innovation done to help the sagging offense, in the college game. It has done that for the most part, Texas being an exception.

    The bad mechanics that Texas batters have and the lack of hitting discipline is hard to fathom. It's never corrected for very long or in some cases not at all. Somehow these same hitters go to elite summer leagues and hit well. I did a thread about hitting mechanics in 2013, to try and explain some of these things. It's a long and tedious process to type out. Most people kind of just went :rolleyes1:.

    People just want to eat the sausage, they don't want to see how it's made. I understand that, but when you have been around the game and see some of these things that are obvious, you want to try and explain what is or what is not happening. I just don't understand how the same problem, at one of the top programs in college baseball history, goes on and on. Each season we hear it's been corrected, but it's not. I see talented players that were coveted by everyone. Players thought would sign with the pros and not come here, yet look terrible hitting with a Texas uniform on. I continue to ask this. Why?
     
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  22. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    This update to report. Texas now has a RPI of #98. Basically now, to reach a regional, one of two things would have to happen. The Horns will have to win the Big 12 regular season championship or the conference tournament.
     
  23. orangeblack&gold

    orangeblack&gold 500+ Posts

    So you're sayin' there's a chance?
     
  24. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    Why did I have to click on this thread? I was blissfully ignorant before.
     

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