Taylor gone according to BON

Discussion in 'Men’s Basketball' started by old65horn, Apr 7, 2015.

  1. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

  2. Texas Taps

    Texas Taps 5,000+ Posts

    He can make money in Europe
     
  3. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    With he and Turner leaving early and Holmes graduating, the roster looks pretty depleted. Smart will have to replace a lot of scoring and rebounding.
     
  4. Desperado

    Desperado 1,000+ Posts

    I'm sure he thinks he's good enough to go but after watching him play, he definitely needs more seasoning. He has D league or Europe written all over him.
     
  5. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I don't know his money situation but I think he would really benefit from a year with Coach Smart.

    Best of luck to Taylor.
     
  6. rattfatt

    rattfatt 500+ Posts

    I don't begrudge any college athlete who would rather make money playing basketball instead of playing for free in college. Whether it's the nba, d-league, or overseas. If he decides to turn pro, good luck to him.
     
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  7. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    this
    Good luck to you son. Is that a wise choice? I don't think so. Wilcomen to da Honka Espoo Playboys.
     
  8. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I think both Turner and Taylor would have benefitted from coming back and playing a year under Smart. That being said, I do not think next years team is depleted. There is not enough there to expect a big 12 championship or anything, but if we keep a senior Ridley, senior Ibeh, senior Lammert, senior Felix, senior Holland, junior Yancy and Smart brings in some recruits with his great recruiting skills, we should certainly compete and make the NCAA tournament again.

    Hell, we should probably do better than 7th in the conference next year.
     
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  9. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    ^^^ agree
     
  10. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy



    So what is the truth? Of course, he didn't say he wouldn't declare either.
     
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  11. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    At Taylor's current level, truth is he has one shot at a worthy contract. The first one. In the 2015 draft, he won't get nearly as much as he could later. I don't see enough from him at this point saying he will hang around longer than 3 or so years in the pros (d-league). I think he could if he developed a little more here, increased production, and enjoyed more celebrated success before entering the 2016 draft.

    Sure, it's smart for many guys to bolt after a year if they have a real chance at making significant money right out the gates. But in Taylor's case, he isn't there at the moment, and legitimately could raise his value substantially after another year of increased production.

    First of all, he didn't play a full season this year. His name was on the public's tongue until he went down. After returning and Texas didn't respond, his national persona died out. So yes, another year could get him a ton more national bragging and publicity if he excels.

    Second, he showed a lot is still lacking from his game. With a more disciplined approach under Smart, a full season leading his team, and no doubt better numbers, Taylor is one case that would benefit a lot more financially from making due another year. He needs to clean up his turnovers a ton, improve offensive orchestration skills, and develop a decent 3-pt shot. And those are just general skills he can improve to get a bigger contract.

    The NBA wants these 2nd-tier players in the d-league asap. Why? Because THEY get to develop them and for much cheaper than if they are developed by extended college time. If the 2nd course is taken, then the NBA has to pony up after their game improves. Taylor is one case in which it'd be MUCH better for his wallet and future earnings if he stayed and increased his numbers here. 13 points a game, 28% 3-pt percentage, 63 turnovers, highest turnover per minutes ratio on team...not hard to strongly improve those numbers next year. Which translates into higher draft status and more money.
     
  12. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I had to pay for my kids and myself to attend Texas. I agree basketball players in general are being "forced" to spend a year in school, but they still have to earn at least a semester of grades to be eligible for the full season so there has to be some progress towards a degree. That isn't free - someone is paying for it.
     
  13. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    I wish them well in the future. The cupboard is not bare, but Smart has his work cut out for him with what he has coming back.
     
  14. Aces_Full

    Aces_Full 500+ Posts

    Remember when J'covan declared early for the NBA draft? I think at this point, Taylor is lucky to go late in the 2nd round, and will probably end up having a career overseas.

    Good luck.
     
  15. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    There is serious money to be made overseas, and he will develop there while getting $$. Can't blame him. I suspect this was his plan from the get go. Shaka will get his players on board and go from there.
     
  16. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Aside from getting paid with university schooling, which is the point of a scholarship, most of them are getting a heck of a lot of national exposure playing high level basketball. I understand both sides of the argument, but many of these kids still have question marks coming out of HS. After a year against top college competition, the NBA gets their answers and extends them typically more than they would've without that year of proof against elevated competition.

    If you feel you've already earned near what your worth, and are ready to move on, then by all means. I can't agree that Taylor is close to that value after this past year. There's more than 50/50 chance after a successful year under Shaka, Taylor could flirt with the first round and much more future financial security. Then again, I don't pretend to know his personal circumstances, so best of luck to him.

    As caryhorn eluded, Shaka will do just fine with what he adds and has available next year. Let's go with who truly buys in to the new program. I want to see hungry players, excited to be here, and determined to elevate Texas basketball to the next level as a team.
     
  17. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    If Taylor were to declare for the draft, it's to make the NBA. Anything short of that will be failure. For every PJ Tucker / college player who leaves early and plays overseas before making it in the NBA, there are hundreds who never make it in the NBA. J'covan Brown is an example. Kabango also.

    Reported today that Shaka is meeting with the U of Washington player who is leaving the team. He would be a great addition to Texas. Also, VCU's top '15 recruit was given his release today. Won't be a surprise if Shaka gets him.

    No idea why Taylor thinks he's ready now for the NBA other than his ego and his advisers. One of Barnes' issues with Taylor was his lack of enthusiasm to play defense. Late in the season, Barnes benched him for most of the 2nd half of a game for this reason and only put him in when a player got hurt. This may have been the Baylor game. Anyway, if Taylor is going to stay at Texas, he's going to have to play defense for Shaka. If he's smart, that is a good thing for his future chance with the NBA.

    By now Taylor has met with Shaka and understands expectations.
     
  18. rattfatt

    rattfatt 500+ Posts

    No disrespect, but you and your kids should have been good at something like Taylor and you would have gotten a scholarship. There are people who get scholarships for band and academics, the difference is that the band director or the professor isn't getting paid 2.25/ 3 million dollars a year off the backs of those kids. While at the same time the athlete gets nothing but a degree that is just a piece of paper, because a lot of these athletes are being put in classes that are there just so they can stay eligible.

    Again, even if Taylor doesn't get drafted in the nba, he can go overseas and make a living. It's not a bad thing to not get drafted in the nba as long as you're getting paid to play. Basketball is Taylor's profession, he didn't come to Texas to be a doctor. You people who have a problem with him wanting to turn pro need to stop with your selfish agendas. It's not about you, it's about his career and what he wants to do with his life. When athletics is your profession you only have a limited amount of time and miles on your body to make a living. You can be a doctor for 30 years, you can't be a basketball player for 30 years.
     
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  19. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    You people? Selfish Agendas?

    By leaving early, like Kabongo, Taylor is not enhancing or maximizing his long term earning power. In the long run he is probably hurting himself if he leaves early. I haven't seen one expert who thinks he is ready. If he stays one more year, he enhances his chance to make the NBA and the benefits that come from playing in the NBA.

    I may not play basketball, but I'll trust Reggie Freeman who says he isn't ready and needs to stay.
     
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  20. rattfatt

    rattfatt 500+ Posts

    Yes, you people, yes, selfish agendas. None of you seemed to have a problem with Jordan Speith leaving school early after just a year and a half. And he left to play on the equivalent of the d-league because he didn't play well enough in q-school to get his card. The reason why some of you have a problem with Taylor is because he plays a sport that you care about and you want him to come back so the team can do well. That's why some of you have selfish agendas. I don't care what Reggie Freeman said, if Taylor feels like he's's ready to make a living, then so be it. Maybe he can come back and improve his stock, or maybe if he does come back there's a possibility that he blows out his knee and is never able to make a living.
     
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  21. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    I think you equating Taylor to Spieth shows a lack of understanding on this subject. You seem to be guided by emotion - -hence resorting to emotional tags like "you people" or "selfish agendas."

    And Kevin Durant is Jordan Spieth. Taylor is Kabango.

    BTW, if you have read my posts you'd know I'm all for Taylor leaving the team because I want the team to do well. But I know it's the wrong decision for his future.
     
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  22. rattfatt

    rattfatt 500+ Posts

    Nope, I have a very good understanding of this subject. Jordan Speith was a highly touted recruit who help the golf team win a national championship. But his success was not a guarantee, if it was, he would have been able to get his card. And he wouldn't of had to play on a tour that is the equivalent of the d-league. If you remember when Daniel Gibson left early, like a lot of Texas fans i was hollering about him not being ready and how he was only going to be a 2nd round pick or maybe undrafted.

    He ended up being a 2nd round pick, and played with Lebron and the Cavaliers. He played so well that he signed a really nice second contract. And if he invested his money well, he can live off of that contract for the rest of his life. After seeing that I said to myself, i'm never going to question or criticize a kid who wants to make a living again, because you never know. Cory Joseph is also a kid that a lot of Texas fans were crying and whining about when he decided to enter the draft look at him now, you never know. Some of you people need to let these young men live and learn.
     
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  23. utempire

    utempire 1,000+ Posts

    There are some players who are destined to succeed at the next level like Durant and Speith. In Jordan's case he lead the team to a championship. Durant was a lock to be a superstar. I'm happy if our star players stay at least 2 years and hope the NCAA changes the rule like football. In my opinion Taylor would help his draft position greatly if he stayed another year under Smart. Maybe it was his injury but he had trouble taking players off the dribble which doesn't bode well in the NBA. You really can't equate college golf, baseball, tennis, and hockey to the money making sports when it comes to leaving early. Although I think it would help all the pro leagues, colleges, and fans to require at least 2 years.
     
  24. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Interesting discussion. I don't have a strong sense that my opinion is absolutely correct on this subject: whether Taylor "should" go or stay. Personally, I don't think he will get drafted before very late in the draft, if at all. I think he will have to play overseas, either Europe, or Asia.

    If he doesn't want to continue in the college scene, and it appears he clearly doesn't, then pursuing making a living from what his passion is, i.e. Basketball, seems to make sense. I think he can make very decent money in Europe or Asia. And I suspect he and his family need the money. If he does have the talent to eventually make the NBA, then that will show in the leagues where he plays, and he will get the shot. If not, then he'll make decent money elsewhere, imho.

    I am selfish when it comes to Texas sports. I want every sport to win big. I really want Shaka to take us to the final four next year; and every year for that matter. And I think Taylor could be a valuable member of the team. Whether he fits Shaka's ideal prototype of a point guard is questionable. But Taylor's talent is impressive, and he could help the team in various capacities. So I'd like him to stay.

    That being said, I understand completely the kid's desire and apparent need to exit and seek a money making career. So I wish him the best whichever path he takes. :bevo::hookem:
     
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  25. txlandagent

    txlandagent 500+ Posts

    Sources say Taylor is now leaning towards returning. The young man needs to do what he feels is the best move for him and his family but I have to agree that returning would more than likely give him a better shot at more money next year. Projected at #50 on the draft board is not a great place to be.
     
  26. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    :rolleyes1:

    Most of us didn't even know he was leaving school early in the first place because most of us don't follow UT golf. If not having a problem with something we didn't even know was happening makes us ********, then I guess we're all ********.

    It's also interesting to learn that anyone who says a player should come back for another year is automatically only saying this because they want that player on their team. Not a single person is capable of objectively analyzing players and thinking some are ready to leave and some aren't. And also I guess everyone always thinks all of their own players should stay and all players on other teams should leave?

    Also interesting that everyone ignored NBHorn's post which is the only information actually coming from Taylor himself. Guess it's good for Taylor, if he's ever going to be a big-time NBA player (which is definitely a possibility) to go ahead and learn now how the media works these days.
     
  27. TXLonghorndad

    TXLonghorndad 100+ Posts

    Actually, Reggie Freeman was quoted as saying that he and Taylor had spoken and that Taylor was leaning on leaving based on how the season had went. He also said he had advised Taylor to stay for his Junior Season.
     
  28. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Comparing D1 golf and basketball is apples and oranges. There will be no "team" at the next level for a golfer. He has to do it on his own.

    The Texas golf team won't be on television two times a week during it's season and scouts aren't coming to check them out, for a possible draft pick. Spieth had already made his presence known with is amateur play. Being in the mix on the final day of the Byron Nelson Tournament, while still in high school. His amateur championships and then leading the Texas golf team to a National Championship.

    He had corporate sponsors ready to back him, in his transition to the PGA Tour, like Tiger did. Not on the same level as Tiger, but plenty long enough, to let his talent come through. It did and now he is the #2 player in the world. Being #1 is well within his grasp at some point.

    Taylor is not close to the talent level in his sport, Spieth was then, in his. What makes that gap a cavern, is the advantage that Spieth has in the mental ability to handle pressure and manage his talent, on the golf course. Many older players that have the talent, don't have his mental capabilities to manage their game. Think how much more Phil Mickelson, would have accomplished, if he had Spieth's type of game management skills, in his early years.

    What Spieth has accomplished in so short a time, is as much or more due to this, than his physical talent. That's why he could come out and go pro at such at early age. Taylor doesn't have this yet. Spieth going pro early was expected and so really, was his success. He had nothing to gain by staying in school, unless he just enjoyed being in college and could wait a few more years.


    Whether staying in school or going pro will help Taylor in development, is open to debate, but comparing his situation to that of Jordan Spieth, at the same point, really shouldn't be. Does anybody really think that after a couple years in the pro's, that Taylor will become the second best player in the NBA?
     
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  29. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do know that he enjoyed his time as Cain and Abel's. :texasflag: :hookem:
     
  30. rattfatt

    rattfatt 500+ Posts

    Since you think Taylor and Speith are apples and oranges, how about Myles Turner. He got criticized by a lot of those same people with selfish agendas, because they thought he didn't play like a one and done player an should come back to school. Even though he is projected to be a lottery pick or a first rounder. Those people don't care about Jordan Speith turning pro because they don't care about college golf. They want to brag about how good their favorite college football or basketball team is. Which is why every time a football or basketball player turns pro, who they think shouldn't, they cry and whine about it.

    Again, those people don't care about Taylor as a person or if he improves as a basketball player. There is a right answer, and it's what ever he feels is right for him, not the people who don't give a crap about him. They just want to brag about how good their favorite college basketball team is. Which as i continue to say is a Selfish Agenda!
     
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