Baltimore Crime Rate Soaring

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  1. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I'd say that the moral of this story is be careful what you wish for. Without those nasty, abusive cops around, the jungle gets restless.


    http://news.yahoo.com/baltimore-residents-fearful-amid-homicide-spike-083758282.html
     
  2. chango

    chango 2,500+ Posts

    You are either a clever racist, or an idiot. Which is it?
     
  3. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Chango?
    Why would you try to make that racist?
    What in your opinion suggests a jungle is only full of black people?
    No animals killing other animals?
     
  4. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Because he's a lib, it's what they do! Haven't you noticed. Everything is racist now. It's the new McCarthyism.
     
  5. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Scary. On Fox 4 news last night they had video of an officer taking down a struggling suspect at a DART station and a white onlooker stepping in to help. Lots of black folk are heard jeering the policeman and his helper and stepping near in a threatening manner.

    Obviously, there is a need for peace-making and relationship building. Communities need police and communities need to see the police as trusted public servants. Police need public support and personal confidence to handle a never ending stream of difficult and potentially dangerous situations. The worst elements take advantage of ambiguity and uncertainty.
     
  6. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Apparently the answer to stopping the rash of murders in Baltimore is more cowbell ( gun control). Because everyone knows those doing the murdering pay attention to laws>:whiteflag:
    When asked about the meteoric rise in murders in Baltimore Josh Ernest says the WH ( BO ) thinks Congress should pass common sense gun control laws.
    I guess that would apply to Chicago too.
    Baltimore ( and yes Chicago) have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
     
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  7. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Glad I don't live there.

    It's not just there though. I did almost get stopped by an AA throng(about 10 dudes) at Walmart about a month ago but an AA employee stepped in and told them to let me pass. Didn't know what was going on at the time(had been out with the kids at the museum all day) but apparently it was a protest they were having at the Walmart I learned after the fact. Glad I didn't get the
    Reginald Denny treatment. No groceries were hurt in my near miss.

    BTW, when a police officer stops me I put both hands on the wheel and politely ask if it is ok to reach for my wallet, etc, etc. Haven't been shot or even had a gun pulled on me by a police officer yet.
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm politically incorrect, and though I will call out an injustice when I see one, I am generally unsympathetic to the plight of the modern civil rights movement. However, if you refer to predominantly black areas as "jungles," you shouldn't be surprised if someone suspects you to be a racist.
     
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  9. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Oh for goodness sake, I frequently referred to my work environment what with the legislative hassles, competition, corporate chaos, as a jungle and this was the healthcare industry. Never once thought of it as racial and didn't when clean said it. Just thought he was referring to the dangerous disaster that situation has become.
     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The difference is that no one confuses the healthcare industry to be a black-dominated field. Ghetto Baltimore is.
     
  11. chango

    chango 2,500+ Posts

    Apologies to Clean for the idiot remark. Although technically I assumed the former, not the latter.
     
  12. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Of course you are correct Mr D. It is just that it irks me more and more that a comment can be made without the politically incorrect intention, innocently enough, and in retrospection, be interpreted to be incorrect - politically. We have to be 'correct' to the point of obsession to proper perspective.
    I am certain I did not express my frustration accurately but I fear what we are becoming in this country.
     
  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Chango
    :hookem2:
    Good of you.
    I did not think it was intended a racial remark but was intended to convey how dangerous it had become.
    and with even more murders today his remark is quite apt.
     
  14. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Thank you Nashhorn. I do the same thing and it never entered my mind it would be considered racist. But, given the hypersensitized world that the Left lives in when it comes to race, it shouldn't be a surprise. It's a way of diverting attention from the actual issue and focusing it on the hot button issues they live for.
     
  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I don't necessarily disagree with anything you're saying, except that I take issue with your asserting that the Left is hypersensitive. It's not sensitive at all. It fakes being sensitive on this sort of thing when doing so furthers its agenda. It's a rhetorical/political tactic. That's why Trent Lott loses his political career for the plausible but probably false implication of a joke he cracked at a 100-year old man's birthday party, but Joe Biden can patronizingly call Barack Obama the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" (implying that previous mainstream African-Americans were unintelligible, dumb, dirty, and ugly-looking) and get away with it. Ditto for HRC's comment about "hard-working Americans - white Americans" (implying that non-white Americans are lazy).

    You're also right that they use this phony outrage and sensitivity as a diversion to avoid a discussion of serious issues on the merits, particularly one in which their position is difficult to defend under significant scrutiny. Of course, the Left would deny its double standard or at most acknowledge it but make the circular justification that the Right's alleged racism warrants the double standard - the "their politics proves their racism, so they deserve the double standard" tripe. However, any serious observer knows it to exist, that it's blatant, indefensible by any reasonable standard, and that it's entirely self-serving.

    Is referring to urban Baltimore as a "jungle" inherently racist? No, but it's a little like inviting a black family over to your house and serving fried chicken, collard greens, and watermelon. It's not per se racist to do that. However, we know the inference black folks would likely draw from being served such a meal by white people, so why not serve something else so they can enjoy your hospitality without wondering whether you're trying to impliedly ridicule them?

    My point is, why play into that trap if you don't have to? Personally, when I was more politically active I said and wrote plenty of politically incorrect things (and sometimes satirically), but I generally only did it on substantive points that strengthened my argument. In fact, when you do that, the fair-minded reader will see the Left's faux outrage as the predictable diversion that it is and make them suspicious of them rather than you. However, when you do it with superfluous rhetoric rather than substance, it does nothing but create an opportunity for the fair-minded reader to get distracted into discussing something other than your point.
     
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  16. chango

    chango 2,500+ Posts

    If Clean says he meant nothing by the comment, I take him at his word. Sorry for the thread hijack and calling out your character.

    Now, lets get back to the original point and talk about these inner city blacks getting their comeuppance.
     
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  17. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Chango
    Your first thought was that it was a racist remark. Others including myself did not see it that way.
    You did offer a sincere apology which was great although your latest post diminishes your apology a tad.
    but can you explain why you thought it was racist?
     
  18. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, sweet! Reconciliation with the Left without a single Act of Contrition on my part! Hell, that kind of treatment is usually reserved for Al Sharpton or Hillary Clinton! I think I'll celebrate by watching my favorite movie, "The Birth of A Nation".
     
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  19. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    the reason things are spinning out of orbit in Baltimore, which I visited last year and thought was a beautiful place, is because the cops are taking a holiday in retaliation for the prosecutor rushing to indict the six officers. As has been explained, you can't be accused of feloniously violating someone's rights if you are shopping at a donut stand.

    At some point the cops get their discretion back and there will be some new protocols for enforcing rules such as making the prisoners secure with seatbelts. If you have ever done a ridealong you may know why that is necessary and if you have ever been present with an unruly arrestee you will know why some cops will let them ride unsecured and then hit the brakes. Which is what happened to Mr. Gray, from what I can tell.
     
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  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis
    Do you think the police patrolling high crime areas are a deterrent to blacks shooting other blacks? The articles I have read say arrests are down but I didn't see any actual hard facts and it does not make clear if patrolling in those area is less.
    Arrests being down means police aren't arresting people who are suspected of having done crimes which seems to me to mean the crimes/murders have already been done.
    So did a few murders and other shootings happen with no arrests so then the bad guys thought they could get away with more?
     
  21. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    This will be a trend in other cities as well. I expect there will also be an extreme shortage of police officers in these cities in the near future. Police officers will seek jobs where they have community and city management support.
     
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  22. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts


    yes and yes
     
  23. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis
    If it is true that Baltimore police are patrolling the most dangerous neighborhoods less now and that is the reason for more homicides what explained Baltimore being ranked 5th worse in country in 2014 it isn't like they weren't killing each other before.
    So it is only the INCREASE in murder and crime that is caused by police taking a holiday. Without that holiday the high murder rate would go usual , just not quite as high? Isn't that a comforting thought.

    Don't forget Chicago and Detroit are even more deadly and there hasn't been any slowdown by police in either city.
     
  24. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    detroit and chicago are different cities and have different dynamics, but try to imagine what the crime rates would be like in those cities if the cops took a holiday.

    most criminals are idiots but they do notice when the cops are not around in the usual numbers and places.

    the nyc cops brought their mayor to tree by backing off and so can any police department anywhere
     
  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis
    I must not be nuanced enough to make the distinction between blacks killing blacks in Baltimore or Detroit etc.

    Your point about criminals noticing cops are patrolling is correct and does account for the difference between 20 shooting a week end with no cops and 12 shootings a " normal" weekend.

    Instead of pointing out how the police slowdown has resulted in an increase in murders/ shootings/ crimes maybe the authorities and media should focus on stopping the mayhem on a normal week end.
    Maybe do something like Rahm in Chicago has done and call for more gun control.
     
  26. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    it is not just a matter of blacks killing blacks, by the way, other groups kill each other and members of other ethnic persuasions too. And the concentrations of black people in Baltimore and Chicago are different, just as an example. And it is not just murder rates that are ramping up in Baltimore.

    I hope your comment about gun control is a jest. While I have no confidence that anybody can shoot their way out of this unravelling, all of those places have more stringent gun control than do other areas that have little or none. How bad is the murder rate in Boise?
     
  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Yes of course it is not just blacks killing blacks but that group does represent a majority and in some cities a huge majority. I know you don't think it is racist to state the statistical fact? Do you think the increase in murders/ shootings/ crime in Baltimore is not being done primarily by blacks?
    How are the concentrations of blacks different in Chicago from Baltimore? How is a dead black person killed by a black person in Chicago etc different than a dead black person killed by a black person in Baltimore?
    It just seems disingenuous for the media and authorities at all level to be so concerned that police seemingly not doing their job is causing an" increase" but it does give the ones who should have been trying to prevent " normal" shootings an easy excuse/ fall guy, the police.

    yes huis I was being sarcastic mentioning Rahm's solution for his city's likely record setting murders/ shootings. Rahm can't blame a police slowdown so he calls for MORE gun control in a city with some of the strictest gun control laws in nation.
     
  28. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    I was suggesting that all the dumbazz criminals are taking advantage of the Police Donut Prom. And the cops are being careful everywhere to not get shot trying to contain the lower classes. They are acting out of spite because some of their traditional privileges are being hedged and they are subject to having their careers destroyed and in some cases being sent to prison for doing what some of them have been doing for a good while. This is a bad time for any color of cop to be working the rougher sides of town.

    You are going to see a lot of early retirements across the country. The feral elements in the underclass are fixing to have a big opportunity for more shopping sprees.
     
  29. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Until America faces a reality and stops being politically correct, this problem will continue to spiral out of control for the black community. Liberal democrats continue to perpetuate the problem with race baiting (see above) telling criminals "it's not your fault" go ahead and protest under the false notion of "hands up - don't shoot." Hell, Al Sharpton blamed the Texas flooding on God's rebuke of America's behavior.

    Now that crime has soared, it is the police fault? Seems to me that it is the criminal's fault. In the publicized cases, even the ones that it appears the police used excessive force, the "victims" all either ran, resisted or assaulted the officer. Even in the horrific South Carolina case, the victim would not have been shot had he not run. Not right he was shot and that police officer deserves a murder charge, but highly unlikely that unfolds without the guy running.
     
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  30. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Huis
    Of course there are bad cops and you rightly point out that SOME have been bad for awhile. These bad cops should be caught and prosecuted. Will they? Who knows

    But to have leaders in Baltimore plus the media excuse the increase in murders and crime in Baltimore by blaming the police is maddening. I guess to use the idiot Mayor's logic we must give these thugs room to commit crimes and murder.
    I disagree that the black on black shootings/ murders are different Baltimore and Chicago etc.
     

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