if i were the offensive coordinator i...

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by andyhorn, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. andyhorn

    andyhorn 25+ Posts

    would make our fastest receiver a star. Marquise Goodwin was so underused. Here's what i would do. I would have our fastest receiver (not sure who that is: D Johnson, Foreman, Newsome) always be in motion toward the end of the box either coming from the outside or coming across behind the OL. Then when the ball is snapped he bursts up the middle of the field. Now he has several options. He could act like he is going deep and stop on a dime. Or he could head fake going one way then go another(that is the key: selling head fakes and step fakes like we did in sandlot football. I was a master at it with average speed. If i would have had 4.4 speed i would have been an all-star in college. Breaking ankles is the key.) Now you could clear out one side and have that one side open underneath or over the top on deep corner routes. The wr would always be open if he knows how to sell a fake. QB pump fakes the other way or could even roll out while the wr head fakes the other way then comes across: bam first down. The wr gets 7-12 receptions a game. Course this works best against man to man.
     
  2. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    I like the cut of your jib, Andy. Send these and future suggestions to Watson, as well as posting them here. Watson clearly needs creativity ideas, not to mention a solid QB. If you can come up with a solid experienced accurate passer who can also create on the run that would be helpful.

    While you're at this send along a big, mean, experienced O-line.
    :vy: :smokin:
     
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  3. snek

    snek 500+ Posts

    If I were OC I would only call the touchdown plays. Never the interception, or wr runs wrong route, or OL man gets beaten, or any other play. Just the TD ones! That would be the money. I wish we had coaches that wanted to win more then the fans to because it's their life, their families and well being on the line. They should listen to the fans more often because we know they purposely try to be not creative, bland and boring and have all control over what happens on the field. We need an OC to have the plays planned ahead of time because things always go as planned. Dammit, hire THAT kind of OC.

    :rolleyes1:
     
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  4. snek

    snek 500+ Posts

    Oh, and as the best candidate for future OC stated above, stop purposely not putting the fastest player out there because we all know (because it was typed and therefore is so) that is the best player. There is never a reason for a coach to play that person even if they did recruit them, work with them every day, know their ins and outs and everything about the team. They need to LISTEN TO US, the fans. WE KNOW BETTER. It really is as simple at putting that guy in. It always equals success. Always.
     
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  5. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    I like it. We could call it "The Pump Fake / Ankle Break TD offense".
    Once it catches on we can call it running the PFABTD for short.
     
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  6. blonthang

    blonthang 2,500+ Posts

    Hmmm....maybe he's onto something.

    Maybe we need Charlie to go all Knute Rockne on the team at halftime, with this famous speech:

    Excerpt below from this website:
    http://ynucc.yeungnam.ac.kr/~bwlee/esc/rockne.htm

    (From the speech, interesting UT connection, that Chevigny guy, went on to head coach UT-Austin.)

    ----------------------------------------

    And the same backfield: Jimmy, you and Collins, Chevigny (Shev-in-yeh) and Niemiec (Nee- mik).

    All right, Collins, you and Kolrick will play the ends.

    And the same backfield: Jimmy, you and Collins, Chevigny (Shev-in-yeh) and Niemiec (Nee- mik).

    Now, it's the test of any team, men.

    Based on team-play - everythin' shown all year -: Sacrifice; unselfish sacrifice!

    These are the fellows they say are pretty good; but I think we're better!

    And I think if we get ourselves keyed up to a point, and when we're confident of that...
    why, the results will take care of themselves.

    All right, now. On the kickoff - if we receive, the zone men will drop back to the receiver and block long - that old Notre Dame style.

    If we kick off - which the rest of the teams want - let's run down fast - just as fast as you can run. And then we go on defense.

    And on defense - I want the center in and out of that line - according to the situation.
    Use your old head!

    And I want you guards charging through as far as you can go - on every play.

    Expect the play right over you every time.

    And the tackles - I want you to go in a yard and a half - and then check yourselves.

    Spread your feet - squat down low - and be ready with your hands and elbows, so you won't be sideswiped.

    But I want the ends in there fast every play. Every play, but under control.

    And you men in the backfield - I want you to analyze it before you move.

    And if they throw a forward pass, a zone pass, wait until you see the ball in the air - and then go and get it!

    And when we get it, boys, that's when we go on offense.

    And that's when we go to 'em - and don't forget, we're gonna pick on that one last one tackle that is weak.

    We're going inside of 'em, we're going outside of 'em - inside of 'em outside of 'em -

    and when we get 'em on the run once, we're going to keep 'em on the run.

    And we're not going to pass unless their secondary comes up too close.

    But, don't forget, men - when we get 'em on the run, we're going to go, go, go, go!

    And we aren't going to stop until we go over that goal line!

    And don't forget, men - today is the day, we're going to win.

    They can't lick us, and the best time to go.

    The first who's gonna, men, go in there and FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

    What do you say, men!

    ---------------------------------------------------

    Yeah, that outta do it, IMHO.
     
  7. andyhorn

    andyhorn 25+ Posts

    wow the mean-spirited losers are coming out. thats ok i understand ya'll couldn't play football worth a lick in your younger years 50 years ago. you were the last ones picked. What i said up there actually works.
     
  8. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    While the stick approach can work, hopefully there are more carrots and vision in place as Coach Strong transitions into his second year against a formidable schedule and a scant pantry to cook from at this point. Turn the team with leadership getting them to play with more desire every play. Even the talent that is there is not fulfilling what they can do with any consistency if last year is any measure and I hope to all goodness that last year is not too much of a signal. (except the marked improvement in tackling when not on the field for more than a couple 3 and outs in a row by the Texas offense)

    I vote for the James Brown offense instilled by Mackovic in his first start vs OU and let Heard wreck some ****.(put in some of the OP stuff too, why the f**k not since the averages last year were **** from the inept Texas O?)

    I'm grasping for some hope that Strong has this **** so Texas fans can get behind him and the team a bit easier than more of the abortive TCU and Arkansas performances. That **** was hard to watch.
     
  9. andyhorn

    andyhorn 25+ Posts

     
  10. snek

    snek 500+ Posts

    rough and tough, "y'all"
     
  11. andyhorn

    andyhorn 25+ Posts

    i do believe that swoopes will be much improved this year. he wasnt taking the first team snaps in early fall last year so he wasnt prepared mentally. i think he will have his "big boy pants" on this year. i am more concerned about the OL. But then again i think the new scheme will help the OL and QB.
     
  12. blonthang

    blonthang 2,500+ Posts

    10/10/2015, early afternoon, and the TV treats us to this:

    "The COTTON Bowl, in Dallas, Texas, it's a crisp 67 degrees with a slight wind in from the northwest, and not a cloud in the sky, a PERFECT day for college football!

    Good afternoon, everybody, I'm Brent Musberger along with rest of the ABC crew, here in The Big D to once again enjoy the finest that college sports has to offer --- the annual, well, street brawl also known as a football game, between two of college football's most storied programs, The University of Texas Longhorns and the Sooners from the University of Oklahoma.

    (overhead scenes of the Cotton Bowl transition to ground level live shots of the Fairground)

    And who could come to this great setting and not get you one of those Fletcher corn dogs, a cold brew, and something --- anything, deep-fried, what is it this year, Knoxy, deep-fried Nutella? Gotta get me some of that after the game.

    Speaking of the game, and the fortunes of the two teams coming in. Last year's record of 6 and 7 was a disappointment for UT, ending with that bowl game thrashing by an old foe from the Southwest Conference days, the Arkansas Razorbacks, but the Horns have dramatically turned things around this year, my friends.

    Not just going to South Bend out of the gate and stealing a win there over Notre Dame, the Horns have gone undefeated with the rest running up to this classic tilt.

    They call it "the kneel down huddle, break a stick in two, and diagram a play on the turf." Has worked with splendid results early in this season.

    There had been grumbings from the Burnt Orange faithful last year of the offensive line being injured, inexperienced, and well, maybe just not that good, or not that well coached. And of total lapses by the special teams squads in all phases. And, of course, when we look at college football, that most important of all positions, the quarterback, with Tyrone Stoopes at times shining, and at times, well, not so much.

    But throw out the need for fundamental improvements in player quality and experience, this has all been put on the back burner now that "the kneel down huddle, break a stick in two, and diagram a play on the turf" has totally turned this program around.

    Oh, here's my Fletcher's --- thanks, guys, and we'll be back in a minute folks with the kickoff of this annual, must-see college football classic."


    P.S., it's called sarcasm. Lighten up, Francis.
     
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  13. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    The sidelines are almost always open, we could throw to a guy there and let him make a play upfield. It should work most of the time.
     
  14. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not and never will miss Mackovic, but I sure miss his offense and beautiful plays.
     
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  15. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    hey, why not run the offense to win games? :smile1:
     
  16. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    So motion offense with a speedster is the revolutionary idea here. Many teams already incorporate this. And typically it's with the fastest or quickest WR, which is why he's the motion guy and slot receiver.

    I also prefer motion, but it does not equate to some whirlwind advantage like stated above. The corner is in motion as well which helps negate abrupt early momentum. Usually the guy covering the slot receiver (which is often the motion WR) is the fastest/quickest defender. Which is why only a fraction of corners are able to play the slot. It's a special skillset and coverage quickness many don't have.

    As for route advantages, good cornerbacks at this level don't fall for head fakes like high school corners do. Just the way good tacklers don't fall for them either in the open field. Watching a guys upper body to judge his intended direction is poor technique.

    But most importantly, as you mentioned, zone coverage defends the motion gameplan just as easy as anything else. In the pass heavy Big 12, zone is commonplace.

    All in all, I'm a big fan of motion as it causes pre-snap adjustments and on occasion confusion. But the above proposed advantages after the snap and higher difficulty to defend during routes...negligible. This is from first-hand experience beyond the high school level.
     
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  17. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    maybe run the motion to get the defense to switch to zone. maybe over a few possessions they will start running zone more at least since it is better against motion. thus knowing they are running zone you can run your offensive plays that best attack the openings in the zone.

    this year will hopefully have the plays getting in quicker.
    this year hopefully they have some significant part of the staff that are self scouting and working on keeping the sideline signals changing up so they cannot be stolen by Mike Stoops.
    (or game him by keeping the signals but changing the meaning to best exploit the signal stealing teams)

    clearly the coaches will know best but it is fun to help them from the message boards they don't read.
     
  18. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    LHN had the 1996 Big12 Championship game on the other day (Texas vs Nebraska). The offense that day was a thing of beauty.
     
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  19. beer_dog

    beer_dog 100+ Posts

    Typically you put a man in motion to watch the defensive's reaction, is it man coverage or zone. As a DC it would make it an easy day if the other team sent someone in motion on every play.
     
  20. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    Mackovic was Tom Landry's OC at the Cowboys during their early heyday. I think that says it all.
     
  21. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    Look folks, I don't want to be a downer, and truly hope I'm wrong, but we ain't goin no where fast. This so called coaching staff is another Patterson stunt.
     
  22. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    After Watson and Wickline walked out of Fedora's office with their notes for a new offense, Larry and Gene probably rolled on the floor in laughter. There is no chance of a Watson offense being successful in the sense of winning games offensively.
    The wide receiver threat is only relevant if you have QB that can throw the long ball accurately.
     
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  23. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    Quite right, slick. At least someone else sees what I see. Man, what a language we have! Yeesh.
     
  24. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    OK, enough is enough. Here is the key to good offense, as told to me by a successful coach who was accosted by a country bumpkin watching his first ever football practice, after his son, who was the fastest player in school, had been talked into trying out for the team by the coach who was desperate for players.
    After watching a few plays where his son was given a chance to carry the ball, and whereupon the son was tackled after running around in the backfield trying to avoid tacklers:
    Bumpkin: Coach, I think I know how to fix it so my son can make one of them touchdowns ever play.
    Coach: Really, how's that?
    Bumpkin: Well, you have those ten boys on my son's side each block one of them others on the other side,
    and then I believe my son would have a durn good chance of out runnin that last boy to the goal line.


    Thank ya, thank ya very much. :smokin:
     
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  25. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    If I were the offensive coordinator; after last season, I'd get plastic surgery, change my name, move to a non extradition country and go into hiding.
     
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  26. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    Oh, sorry, I forgot we had an off coord! I apologize watson!!!!!!!
     
  27. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    I would enjoy seeing Colt's helmet shoved up his yankee ***.
     
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    We have a secret weapon almost perfected.

     
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  29. woowoo worster

    woowoo worster 25+ Posts

    The OP makes very good arguments. Why no one on the Texas staff is assigned to thinking up offensive plays is beyond me.
    Texas, please use the following formula for guaranteed victory:
    1. Use the fastest guy on the team
    2. Fastest guy head fakes, gets open and then receives the ball and scores TD(s)
    3. ONLY call TD plays in games (I'm not sure I completely agree with this, as I think we should only have 5, maybe 6 TD plays per game, because that would give us about 35 to 42 points per game, which I think is good enough).
    4. Do NOT let the other team score more points than we do. Because really, who knows how many TD plays the other team will call in a game so watch out.
    5. Texas Defense should call at least 10 to 12 TD prevention plays per game, and use them only when the other team is so obviously going to use one of their TD plays.

    Texas, please follow steps 1 through 5 starting with the 1st game. Thanks.
     
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  30. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    And if Watson calls too many TD plays to fast guys, some other team may swipe him away from us for such revolutionary thinking. We don't want that, our offense would crumble. :rolleyes1:

    He should definitely mix in a good amount of non-TD plays to slow guys who don't use indefensible tricks like head fakes. At least make it fair for the defense. We need our offensive mastermind to remain for Strong's full tenure. :smile1:
     
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