If Strong is fired, it shouldn't be due to W-L record. It's because of RECRUITING!

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by KBBAKER, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. KBBAKER

    KBBAKER 500+ Posts

    Forget about X's and O's. We know Strong is terrible at that. The only hope he has is to land a top 5 recruiting class each year. The current lack of talent is staggering (obviously). Five and four star athletes look at A&M, OU, Baylor, TCU, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, etc. before they think about Texas. If the recruiting doesn't turn around quickly, we will be climbing out of the abyss for years to come. Teams like A&M have 5 star guys on the bench (think Kyler Murray). Texas needs a coach that will create a recruiting buzz (like Mack in the Glory Days). Strong with great recruits may turn things around. Strong with average classes and his game day coaching skills, is doomed. Strong is not a "coach 'em up" type coach. He needs players to be stars before they get to Austin.
     
  2. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Huh? He coached them up at Loiusville. Many of them went from 3* to NFL.

    Charlie landed a top ten class last year.
     
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  3. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    So you're going to let Rivals decide whether he keeps his job? How are you defining a good recruiting class? And are you considering that this past one was bad?
     
  4. utempire

    utempire 1,000+ Posts

    Some of these newbies have to be aggies trying to stir things up.
     
  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Since half the class are seeing significant snaps, yes I would say the class is pretty good.
     
  6. StructureDude

    StructureDude 100+ Posts

    Pretty confused here. He has only recruited one class and it was pretty much top 10 across the sites that rank such things. February is still a little ways off.
     
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  7. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Next class needs more than two players (Jefferson and Williams). The freshmen DB's have no clue what they are doing much less what they should be doing.
     
  8. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    That's a seriously ridiculous thing to say. Do you think any freshman defensive backs in the country know what they're doing and aren't getting toasted? Some of the best players we've had in the DB at Texas played early and had plenty of people calling them "toast" and saying that they needed to transfer, that'd they'd never amount to anything.

    Even in straight man coverage, being able to cover an all-conference junior or senior straight out of college is just not going to happen.
     
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  9. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Unfortunately the results on the field support my statement.
     
  10. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I think given the context of the thread, your statement seems to suggest our particular freshment Dbs are "dumber" than others. Maybe that's a misread by me & Prodigal?

    yes, they have made some big mistakes, but have they made too many for being freshmen?

    Are they any different, compared to other freshmen who are starting/playing a LOT?
     
  11. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Results on the field are tied to recruiting, even more so when you fall on your face in decline and your main foes stay successful or have a resurgence.

    Many of these potential recruits are on our sidelines or the opponents during these big games. How do you think the undecideds are feeling so far about Texas? 2 ragdoll beatings and 2 bush league special teams blunders. All 4 losses leave one less than confident the staff is capable.

    Last year recruiting still held water on the "we're on our way, I promise" spill. How's that gonna fly when Charlie walks in at 4-8 and clearly regressed in his second year? At the same time TCU and Baylor stay nationally relevant. And OU and Aggie take a step up to a higher level.

    At Lousiville, CS was able to hold firm with realistic promises of a bright future. He was 7-6, 7-6, 11-2, 12-1. Not one season did he regress. Even though he had the same record in Year 2, he improved the conference record from 3-4 to 5-2...which means Year 2 clearly showed improvement over Year 1.

    He's never had to face a single recruiting offseason with a declined, highly defeated product. All the while still selling the notion things are on the way up when the results absurdly say otherwise.

    At Louisville each season showed a noticeable elevation from the one before. There's a big difference with what he'll be faced with at 4-8.

    Not only is he coaching for his job these last 7 games, he's also coaching to look a recruit in the eyes and sell a strong finish as proof of a promising 2016 and beyond.

    To be honest, he can recruit in the Top 10 all he wants this year (which I highly doubt at 4-8)....but he's still not the right guy if he went 10-15 over 25 games.

    Even with really good players in two years (which is very iffy), I still don't think a 10-15 coach could best Briles, Stoops, and Patterson to win a conference title.

    Bottom line, CS needs to win more games than he loses these last 7. 4 more wins or move aside for a real coach to take over.
     
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  12. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    My $0.02
    Recruiters sell the message which works for them.
    Aggy now sells 'you get to play in the sec'.
    TCU and BU sell 'you get to play for a top 5 team or hyper offense'.
    Schools used to sell 'Texas didn't want you, but we do and we want you to go beat Texas' and 'you can start for us'.
    We Now Sell 'You Can Start For Us' and 'you can make a difference and get Texas back to the top'.
    I believe Charlie will successfully recruit the kids he needs to turn this thing around.
     
  13. anon

    anon 25+ Posts

    Consider:

    1. DBs are not improving. Still making same wide open mistakes, esp. on 3d down.
    2. Assistants are subpar and not helping Strong.
     
  14. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    I won't care where his recruiting classes are ranked if we start winning.
     
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  15. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    All I am saying is that there is a reason the freshmen DB's are not improving. If you watched the Washington - USC game last night their freshman DB was the best DB on the field until he got hurt. (Also USC got beat by a freshman QB.)
     
  16. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I didn't watch the game, but there's a lot of reasons that DBs can look great or they can look bad. But this isn't an argument for the idea that Texas' freshmen recruits aren't any good and won't be in the future.

    Did he look great because he was in a simple scheme where all he had to do was man up on someone? Did he NEVER miss an assignment? Or maybe he did make some mistakes and the QB didn't see it or cash in on it? Was he trying to guard an experienced, all-conference level player or an average one with mediocre experience? Was the QB getting pressured or did he have time to sit back there and wait for things to open up?

    I absolutely hate it when someone finds one freshman out there who looks great and al of a sudden that means that if YOUR freshmen aren't all at that level, then it means they suck.

    Should they be improving? Absolutely. Did it look like they were unprepared and blew a lot of assignments against TCU? Absolutely. Does that mean they aren't talented and won't be good DBs with more experience? No, it does not. Mark Berry, Stanley Richard, Quentin Jammer, Chris Carter, Bryant Westbrook... I could go on and on about guys who have started as freshmen, got burned and missed plenty of assignments, and then went on to be NFL-caliber players.

    So you're saying there's a "reason" - I'm assuming that "reason" is that sometime between their senior years in HS and their freshmen year in college, they stopped being really good for their age level and started sucking for their age level. You'd be a lot better off arguing that they're not being coached well or prepped well, or that they're not putting in the work they need. None of those have anything to do with talent or whether they should have been recruited.
     
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  17. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    He has recruited well his first 2 classes, particularly the 2015 class. I believe if anything bites Strong in the butt it will be the blowout losses and sub .500 seasons.
     
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  18. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    I think people also need to consider that we only have 13 scholarships freed up after 2015, and an additional 5 that we aren't using. So we're already half full for 2016 signees. Assuming some attrition (or kids bailing), we still could probably sign a few more.

    On top of that, you're just not going to get the commitments if you suck.
     
  19. StructureDude

    StructureDude 100+ Posts

    There's a big difference between having 1 Freshman on the field and 5 Freshman. If you were to say that a Freshman makes a "mistake" at least once every 6 plays (I'm just making up numbers) then the odds are much higher to see a Freshman making a mistake more frequently when there's 5 on the field vs. 1. If the same guy was making the same mistake every play, then he would be removed/replaced. This has actually already happened.
     
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  20. eastexhorn

    eastexhorn 250+ Posts

    I have watched young DBS at Texas make the same type of mistakes and go on to a very good NFL career.
     
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  21. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    Yessir ... my circle has a "huckleberry" title ... and I'll be dipped if most of them weren't starting on Sunday.

    I do not like mistakes in football, I do not like them one little bit ...

    that's about as much Dr Seuss as I can parody right now ...

    It's been made fairly clear there has been more difficulty from a deeper level of loss than most of us knew.

    Short of something criminal or otherwise of a NCAA violation ... Strong needs to be allowed to complete his contract.
     
  22. Wideawake

    Wideawake 100+ Posts

    It seems like some of these recruiting analysts are the ones that need to be fired. Take a look at this thread 2012 recruiting class woes and this one 2013 recruiting class. I hope Charlie is doing his own evaluation instead of looking at the recruiting service ratings.
     
  23. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Gotta disagree with point # 1. I like what I am seeing from Boyd and especially Hill. Covering perhaps the best WR in college, # 5 held his own in what, his second game?! Yes, he was beaten in the corner of the end zone by a terrific receiver and a perfect pass but I'm guessing that Richard Sherman would have been beaten on that play as well.

    The freshman class is indeed something special. They are coming along just fine.
     
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