The Liberal Utopia - What if..

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Capitalism at work

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  4. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    Sure wish the Democrats would realize this.
     
  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    So do I. I also wish the Republicans wouldn't practice so much in corporate welfare. This is why I'm unaffiliated with our parties. They both have their masters.
     
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  6. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    For Dems. this is not a bug, it's a feature.

    Both parties deal in corporate welfare. Don't kid yourself that it's only the GOP.
     
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  7. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Keep kidding yourself that one party is "above" the other. They both operate on graft to political constituencies.
     
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  8. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I thought I just said that.
     
  9. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    You said that then railed on the "other" party displaying that you don't actually believe it.
     
  10. Joe Fan

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  11. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    and they have come full circle:
     
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  12. Joe Fan

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  13. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Yep, the caucus goers are the very definition of the extremes of both parties.
     
  14. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Of course the root cause of the 2007 financial crisis was the government pushing (and in some cases forcing) lenders to give mortgages to the poor. As a result, having the ability to pay back a loan was not a criteria for getting a loan.
     
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  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That was also a contributing factor.
     
  16. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    After seeing a bit on TV where people believed MLK had recently endorsed a candidate, does anyone honestly believe 95% of the public really knows what a true socialist is?
     
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  17. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    I saw that. Almost as scary as the segment where many people agreed that it was great that Hitler had tweeted for Trump to kiss his "Wiener schnitzel".
     
  18. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    You need to watch the Big Short if you think poor people caused the 2007 financial crisis. Sophisticated folks talked poor people into taking loans they couldn't pay (nobody forced anybody to give a $700,000 mortgage to a dockworker). It wasn't the government packaging them into a CDO rated AAA, it was shady Wall Street manipulators, most of whom we bailed out (not out of jail, cause only one person was jailed.)
     
  19. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    "Sophisticated folks talked poor people into taking loans they couldn't pay (nobody forced anybody to give a $700,000 mortgage to a dockworker"

    No doubt some maybe many lenders glossed over the fact that a loan has to be paid back and I wish any that could be prosecuted for that would have been
    BUT some blame should be put on people who took a too good to be true deal without once asking a common sense ( no sophistication needed) question; how will we pay this back.
    BTW many dockworkers can afford a 700k loan.
     
  20. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    OK, great, watch a movie to find out the true story. Please.
     
  21. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    I knew the story before the movie, but the movie was accurate. Phil: Do you believe the government set up the CDOs or invented the liar loan? Or maybe it was poor people. You think maybe janitors working late at night would create the CDos at Goldman Sachs, then have janitors working at Standard & Poors rate them AAA, then sell them to janitors working for pension funds, all while rich folks who ran the businesses remained oblivious?
     
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  22. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm always skeptical of those videos. Clearly there are some ignorant people in this country but how many people do you think they ask to find said ignorant people? I imagine them standing on a corner all day to find the handful of people they typically show to mock on TV.
     
  23. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I know that Hollywood is going to vilify business and spare the government of any culpability in anything like this. It sells tickets and they are as much about perpetuating the narrative as any MSM outlet. I just don't see going to Hollywood to get the absolute true story on anything. Maybe they get it right by accident, certainly not because telling the truth was foremost in their minds.

    I do know of one big bank that was forced to take bailout money by the feds. They told the Fed they did not need the money and the Fed said you will take it or else.
     
  24. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    The movie was based on a book by Michael Lewis, the guy who wrote Moneyball. Sure, the movies went Hollywood, but bank villainy/arrogance/incompetence/uncaring were dramatized, not created. Pretty much run by the same cast of characters scheming against regulation to prevent that kind of crap from happening again.
     
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  25. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    "I'm always skeptical of those videos. Clearly there are some ignorant people in this country but how many people do you think they ask to find said ignorant people? I imagine them standing on a corner all day to find the handful of people they typically show to mock on TV."

    I would love to believe you are correct. How about a challenge? Ask 10 random people of your choosing to describe socialism, that aren't 50+ years old. I think you will be shocked.
    I have done it, and I was 1/10.
    I don't think schools teach this type of stuff anymore. Recently, I had to go through all of my mother's personal things after she and my father passed away. I came across a binder from her junior year in high school, filled with her homework. (I have no idea how that was still around, but it was a fascinating look in to my mom's world when she was young)
    She lived in the little Podunk town of Lake Jackson, and would have been a sophomore around 1953-ish. I was amazed at the sophistication of what was taught in her small town. There was a binder from her Civics/Government class, and the time spent (based on her notes and research paper) on the different "isms" was staggering.

    Her other class work, such as math, English, were just as impressive. I think back then teachers taught to learn, and weren't hampered so much to teach to pass tests.
     
  26. Joe Fan

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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Caracas, Venezuela is the world's most violent city with the world's highest murder rate

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  28. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Sad to see N'awlins murder rate climbing again. Post Katrina, it had declined to a more moderate level. Of course there are mostly liberal judges in the Big Easy who are hesistant to punish black on black crime. If you don't punish crime, the crime rate rises.

    Also surprised Chicago is not on this chart. I guess Mayor Deadfish uses million-man math.
     
  29. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    You might want to read the article from a non-religious angle and the quote might not be so insidious. Ramon Castro kissed her on the forehead and both cheeks claiming it was from himself and each of his brothers. Do you think her comparison is focusing on holy or trinity?

    That article simply exposed their own bias.
     
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