Texlarry Reporting on TOS That Strong Is Gone After Season

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by dukesteer, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Duress, and a more comfortable opportunity elsewhere.
     
  2. TEXnSEATTLE

    TEXnSEATTLE 1,000+ Posts

    hmmm....I'm trying to let that sink in...
    ....maybe
    Personally, I knew we were DOWN....no QB (God, BLESS Swoopes, just not a Division I QB, God, BLESS Heard, I know why we didn't burn his shirt...passing just isn't there)
    ...no great recievers
    ...no great OL
    ...no great Defensive Line
    ...no great secondary
    ...no REAL play makers....

    only so much a coach can do....he did get us an incredible memory over o.u.....

    recruiting has to thrive for a couple of years before even SABAN can turn this ship around...and he aint look'n for real estate in Austin, this time....

    ...we might be scewed...
     
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  3. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    A key component of whoever is (or would be) taking over is the element of surprise that they would have to bring with them.

    Strong showed up, kicked a dozen kids off the team, and surprised no one with his inability to find a regular offensive system or a reliable defensive front. Texas is middling against opponents with similar systems and downright bad against better ones. We can line up against anyone, but if there's nothing to surprise the opponent (*cough* J-Gray into the line for a 1-year gain *cough*), then Strong is fine letting the other team dictate the pace and hopes that we'll have enough big plays to keep it close. Honestly, that's how a lot of college coaches approach each week. Maybe about 60 of the 127 FBS teams react to the X's and O's every series in this fashion. It's just unfortunate that we're one of those 60 instead of the opposite. Really, there are very few Power-5 teams that fit this description... it's more the midmajor teams and conferences that have this problem. I count about 16 teams from the Power-5 schools who just kind of "ho-hum" it each week and you can see the predictable losses. We're in the same group as Colorado and Wake Forest right now.

    The new coach would need to snap our collective brains out of the "let's play it by ear" technique and actually promote a game plan (on one of the sides of the ball... not asking for both yet). If the new guy comes out with Buechele flinging 35 passes a game in addition to a dozen zone runs, that would take opponents by surprise. Teams with equal talent to us wouldn't have the opportunity to adjust, and we'd win a handful more games than we are now.

    But that's kind of the same list that every one of those "middling" schools I mentioned has. You overcome that with smarts and coaching. Baylor didn't have all of that stuff in place when RG3 won the Heisman. They made due with "bend not break" and got over the hump that way. Briles surprised people with the way they could move the ball and take what the opponent's defense gave them. Element of surprise.
     
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  4. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Well he started with Malcolm Brown on the defensive line and Diggs and Thompson in the secondary that were both drafted. Tank Jackson and Hassan Ridgeway are pretty good. I am not sure why our situation always has to be exaggerated as "the worst ever."
     
  5. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    77, it's because (as you know) those who would attempt to defend the indefensible -- the record -- will use any angles they can find. One of the predictable fallbacks is our supposed lack of talent.
     
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  6. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    Duke,
    Some will never concede that what was left (after suspensions, etc.) on the offensive line made it to rough for even the NFL caliber defensive talent you insist Charlie failed to take advantage of hold up long enough to win games where even a VY could not have won.
    You want to say given nfl talent on defense, coaching produces the record with no regard to the reality of the OL talent situation.
    I trust Wickline will get and develop the OL talent we need to get back where we all want.
    Hook 'em.
     
  7. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Some know how bad it was is greatly exaggerated. Coch Strong also ran off some offensive linemen... that was Strong's decision.
     
  8. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    And some of us are glad that behavior was not rewarded. Those dismissed chose to continue their behavior. They knew the rules and expectations and chose their fate.
     
  9. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Be glad about it and stop saying "no offensive linemen were left." You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

    Offensive linemen were left. Charlie ran them off. We have players that follow the rules and we are 10-13.
     
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  10. addicted to Horn

    addicted to Horn 1,000+ Posts

    Watching the game tonight and I don't think keeping Charlie will lead to results much better than this season. We have some talent but our QB's suck. THey can't throw the ball. Charlie has no offense to rely on in a an offensive driven conference. His defense has shown signs of life, but I do not think he is good enough to get the offense we need to be conmpetetive. Wish we could fire him as HC, but retain him as defesne coordinator. Won't happen, but would be an improvement. I really don't believe Texas will be power for many years to come.
     
  11. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    this
     
  12. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Give a good coach 3 star talent and I'll bet you our record would be better than (after tonight) 10-14. Geez folks. We are playing one of the worst defenses in the game and we have 10 points and less than 50 yards passing well into the third quarter.

    The buck stops at the top.
     
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  13. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    The buck stops at the top.[/QUOTE]
    And the offense is playing without your best offensive lineman (a freshman ), your starting qb (a freshman ), your top 2 running backs (senior and freshman ). What's your point?
     
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  14. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    JustWin, aren't you tired of the moral victories?

    Aren't you tired of 10 wins in 24 games?

    Aren't you tired of the blowouts?

    Aren't you tired of inexplicably poor play calls like a homerun ball to our worst receiver on a critical 4th and seven?

    Aren't you tired of running your smaller back right into the middle of the defense, twice, when you have a first and goal at the 8, an eighteen wheeler, and a big back available?

    Aren't you tired of the justifications and the excuses.

    Perhaps you are not. But I am. And that is my point.
     
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  15. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I am tired of 0-11 when the other teams scores first and 0-11 when losing at halftime.
     
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  16. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    No high level, successful coach would worry an ounce what CS failed to accomplish at Texas or how fast he got ran off. I agree with the above that CS set the bar low for the next guy to reach success fast. Even a winning season would please a lot of people in this defeated fanbase.
     
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  17. PalmettoHorn

    PalmettoHorn < 25 Posts

    Amazing how we recruit two 4-star, Elite 11 finalist QBs (one with two 4A title skins) and both regress to being utterly incapable of completing a forward pass when it matters.

    Just glad Nike and ESPN keep sending us money.
     
  18. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    You're the one trying to have it both ways.
    Suspended, injured, kicked off team or no talent left behind all equal the same thing.
    None of them were available to suit up and play.
     
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  19. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    No, they would have been available but Charlie decided to run them off. A coach running players off is not the same as injured.

    A coach choosing to run players off is on the coach. Under Charlie's rules, Ricky Williams would have been run off.

    2010: 5-7 (2-6)
    2011: 8-5 (4-5)
    2012: 9-4 (5-4)
    2013: 8-5 (7-2)
    Charlie runs off players because "they are part of the problem" of 3 consecutive 8 or more win seasons.
    2014: 6-7 (5-4)
    We lose more Mack Brown players.
    2015: 4-7 (3-5)
    3 of our 4 wins are against last place Kansas 0-11 (0-8), second to last place last place Kansas State 4-6 (1-6), and a 4-7 Rice squad that lost by 10 to UTSA last week.
     
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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  21. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Breaking team and NCAA rules is not being "run off." These players were given multiple chances to reform and didn't. Please explain what you mean by "running them off," if this is different from breaking these rules.

    Daje Johnson did reform and said it made him a better player and person. He's still on the team.

    So you should be able to break team and NCAA rules, if your a good football player?

    I don't care if your Ricky Williams, Vince Young, or even Earl Campbell, there are rules to be followed. These rules apply to "every" player from a walk on to a Heisman Trophy candidate.

    Coaches should look the other way, in order to get a couple more wins?

    How is this any different than all the talk about Johnny Football at A&M and players at other schools? You can't have this both ways either.



     
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  22. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    What happened?
     
  23. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    1. Charlie made up new rules. As far as marijuana, no one cares about that rule unless Charlie Strong is involved apparently.

    Making players live in the dorms is dumb.
    Making players sit in the front of the class is dumb. I always sat in the back of the class at Ut, had a high gpa, and went to UT law. We also had a perfect academic rating in 2013.

    The no guns rules was dumb. Most Texas players with guns have them for hunting purposes. Our team was never a bunch of thugs.

    No one enforces the marijuana or underage drinking rules, whether the stuudent is an athlete or not. Guess what? That's law enforcement's job anyway. Not the head football coaches.

    So would you rather have had Ricky kicked off the team to enforce that rule? Would that have been better.

    2. When did I ever beat up on Manziel? In fact, I personally think Johnny has taken a lot of BS over just having a good time. You must be confusing me with someone else.
     
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  24. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    I believe the NCAA cared before the Cotton Bowl Game against Arkansas.

    They sent Humphries and Cavil home and it helped lose the game. Rules are rules and always will be.

    The Johnny Football comment was just a general comment about rules to everybody.
     
  25. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Well you said "you cannot have it both ways" when I have never been against Johnny partying like Joe Namath.

    The point still stands you cannot say "Mack did not leave any linemen" when Charlie ran some off. It is not Mack's fault that Charlie decided to take over law enforcement from the police.

    Also, Mack was not running a thug program like Miami or OU. In fact, no Texas program ever has been a thug program. We decided to focus on solving a "culture" that did not need to be fixed at the expense of the on the field product.
     
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  26. txtxyeha

    txtxyeha 250+ Posts

    Like a soothsayer from the old country (somewhere outside of Comfort), I'm going to tell you the fortunes of the Longhorn football team over the next 45 days - free of charge. If we can obtain the services of a Nick Saben or Chip Kelly then Charlie Strong will make his way to South Florida with a nice parting gift. Otherwise he'll coach on the 40 Acres next year with some improvements, but like a great many fear not enough improvements to set the stage for a title run in 2017. You are welcome.
     
  27. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    If its possible to have an active imagination and be completely banal at the same time, this is it.
     
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  28. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    Count me as pleased that Charlie did it. Its not even so much about law enforcement as it is about character.
    Most of the guys who were kicked off were for reasons unknown, and if it only came down to a ****** attitude that they could not turn around, then I am OK with it.
    But we also had guys on this team accused of gang rape. We had another guy thrown off the team who turned up at a directional college and beat up women at a frat party.
    So as basic as "Be Respectful to Women" is, it is a line in the sand. There will be no Joe Mixons on this team.
    You say we'd have 10 to 13 wins if they were here. Maybe.
    But maybe we'd win 6 or 7 and we'd still have a contingent of ****-heads, not buying in, and spreading discontent on the team. (And who knows what else. )
     
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  29. Wideawake

    Wideawake 100+ Posts

    I think about Andre Jones and whether he was influenced by those around him. Sad story for everyone.
     
  30. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    1. None of the linemen were involved in any women issues as far as we know.

    2. I am not saying people cannot be pleased. I am just saying if you are pleased, stop saying Mack did not leave any offensive linemen. That's having your cake and eating it too. He did leave linemen. Charlie ran them off. They were indeed left. That's my only point.
     

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