Texlarry Reporting on TOS That Strong Is Gone After Season

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by dukesteer, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    Correct, we don't know what they were kicked off for. They could have just been piss-ants at a picnic. That alone is enough for me. They could have also been real trouble. Either way, I don't question it. Re-read my post.

    I am not saying that. Why do you think I am saying that? Charlie is not using it as an excuse and neither am I. Why don't you stop saying it was purely Charlie's choice to kick them off the team? As if 1) the players had no part and were victims AND 2) the dismissed players would have magically made us reach 10 wins.
     
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  2. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Well by creating the stricter rules, that is on Charlie.

    I am sure the choice of Shawn Watson would have kept us to 7 losses no matter the talent. Again, I am just saying people in general should not say "Mack did not leave any linemen."
     
  3. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    But we don't know what they were kicked off for. Were the rules stricter? Or were the consequences just clearer?
    I am pretty sure Mack had rules against weed, guns, and beating women too.

    We will stop saying "Mack didn't leave any linemen" to "Mack Brown didn't leave any linemen that could live
    up to the core values of Charlie Strong" if that satisfies you.

    I get why you want people to stop saying that. Its technically untrue and you could argue its not even Mack's fault that these players could not follow the rules of the new regime. So I'd rather not hear Mack's name bandied around like a punching bag as well. It could just as easily be argued that Strong failed to make them take him seriously.
    But we also seem to be operating under a different set of assumptions about the nature of the dismissals.
     
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  4. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    It's crap like this that really hurts recruiting. CS's first recruiting class was #9. Stuff like this really hurts his chances of getting top-notch recruits. It's almost like posting crap to shoot ourselves in the foot. What CRAP!!!
     
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  5. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Mack did not leave us linemen. Mack did not leave us qb's.....Mack did not really leave us much of anything.
     
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  6. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Texlarry needs to meet up with my cattle prod. It's crap like this that will screw up getting top recruits. Texlarry is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
     
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  7. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    ............not as much as poor performance on the field. Thats what really hurts recruiting.
    But yes, negative speculation can also harm recruiting.
     
  8. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    This propaganda is why Watson was retained for year 2, why staff changes are not made and why our record gets worse. So far, the fewer Mack Brown players that have started, the worse our record has gotten under Strong.
     
  9. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    56, it's a 10-14 record, nine blowouts in 24 games and shutout losses to a 3-9 team (Iowa State) that destroys recruiting.

    Don't blame the messenger.
     
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  10. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Making up stories that our coach is getting fired is what causes recruits that CS might have gotten to go somewhere else....get a grip.
     
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  11. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    And continually reporting this CRAP about CS getting fired is what will keep us from getting back to where we need to be. Why fan the fire? That's just stupid! He's had 1 recruiting class (#9 in the nation, as I recall), and now you're going to try to sabotage our football team's prospects of getting recruits because you don't like our new coach? SAD!!!!!
     
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  12. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Continually playing like crap on the field will keep us from getting us back to where we need to, also. Some might consider that stupid and "SAD!!!!!" too.
    Others might like our coach, but not like his coaching ability, but again, yes, posting negative speculation is "sad", "stupid", "CRAP", because you hate our new coach, is also one of the many things that could harm recruiting.

    Not sure why folks are screaming over which is worse. They're both pretty bad.
    I hope Strong gets us back on track next year, actually beginning with Baylor. I'm probably the only one here who believes we can beat BAYLOR!!!!! :}
     
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  13. joh

    joh 25+ Posts

    A lot of weight of a teams success is put on recruiting class rank. The last 5 years average class rank (per ESPN) for Texas is 9.8, Bama 1.2, Baylor 26.2, TCU 35.8, OU 13.8, OSU 27.4, and ISU 60. In fact for Baylor, TCU and Iowa its actually higher since their 2011 and 2012 classes were greater since ESPN did not rank for classes worse than the top 25 in those years.
    As I see it, a recruiting class rank is not the end all but just a fraction of the formula needed for a successful team.
     
  14. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not think many recruits read hornfans. This is more like the potential ticket buyer and/or donor forum.

    As far as the potential ticket buyers go, when you raise ticket prices after 6-7 and keep them the same after 4-7.... it's not going matter what is said on hornfans. Ticket sales are going to decrease.
     
  15. rantanamo

    rantanamo < 25 Posts

    Another site already did the calculations on this over like a 5 year period. Recruiting rankings are a pretty close indicator of on the field success. TCU, Baylor and Oregon are the anomlies.
     
  16. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Strong has had two recruiting classes. Do not confuse the Mack Brown recruits that Strong was able to retain with what Strong has actually recruited. Recruiting is another area in which Strong has failed. Last years' recruiting class had some nice athletes, but is not a top ten class when you take out the recruits that did not make it to campus. The higher the number of recruits, the higher the ranking. Last year's class was 28 or 29 recruits which moved the class up in the rankings. I agree with a previous poster that recruits don't want to play for a losing team/coaches. Recruits and their parents decisions are weighed heavily by looking at the coaching and product on the field. A good QB or other skill position player might like the situation because they will be able to play early.
    Strong has failed in every aspect of his job. He needs to go right after the Baylor game.
    There are a lot and I mean a lot of people that are not renewing if Strong is retained after this year.
     
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  17. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Ivan +1 plus the good recruits also look at how many players the school sends to the NFL. Strong does good in that analysis.
     
  18. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Who exactly was "run off" for any of these rules?

    Can I like this comment more than once? Every time I watch that guy make a play it turns my stomach.

    You should add "... or play at a functional Division I level." Mack Brown's last five recruiting classes are an absolute train wreck in terms of offensive lineman development and productivity.
     
  19. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Actually, Strong has had 1 recruiting class of his own......remember the timing of when he was hired, that recruiting class was pretty-much "signed, sealed, and delivered." CS has recruited 2 of the very best qb's in Buechele (arriving for next year) and Ehlinger (arriving the following year). the 2 qb's we have were Mack's recruits. I'm sure Charlie will be elated to have his top-notch qb's to lead this team.
    For those of you who are not "renewing" because CS will be here for years to come as our coach, I say "goodbye" and "good riddance." You're going to miss seeing how a great football power is rejuvenated and reinvented.
    And I purport that good recruits want to play for a principled coach like CS, and they could care less about a negative and fickle fan-base.
     
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  20. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Same old blame the last guy excuses...24 games, 14 losses, and 9 blowouts later. Charlie Strong himself said 7 losses was unacceptable and will never happen again. Charlie Strong said several times this season "we have the players, we just need to coach them better". You guys are making lame, no longer applicable excuses that even the man in question has the character to disregard as false.

    There are 5 coaches in college football that make more money than Strong. And all 5 of their teams combined currently have 1 more loss than Texas. There's something seriously wrong with that situation. Especially when half the fan base is willing to pay CS another $5 mil and be satisfied if he wins 8 games in 2016...right back where we fired the last coach 3 years before.
     
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  21. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    In order to compete for the national title consistently, you need to have top ten recruiting classes consistently. I don't buy a pass for year one recruiting, look at what Urban Meyer did year one. I don't expect the head coach at Texas to do less than what Meyer did at OSU.. But there was a dismal recruiting performance by Strong in year one, not only failing to hold on to recruits already committed but also bringing nothing to the recruiting table to flip recruits or make a splash with uncommitted recruits. No pass on year one.
    Strong also had opportunities to get a transfer players including QB and failed.
    Where are his DL recruits that are going to replace Jackson, Ridgeway, Boyette and Norman?
    Does anyone really want to watch the DL try to stop the run with Strong's recruits of Nelson and Ford???
    Strong is not building anything. Some of these posts remind me of a combination of Bagdad Bob and Edward G.Newman. "What me worry" and "There is nothing to be worried about as our forces will be victorious."
    Terminate Strong immediately following the Baylor game and make an offer to Fedora.
    There are situations to give a coach more time, this is not one of them.
     
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  22. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    Then why does the school/ncaa test for it?
    As do most employers these days.
     
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  23. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I think Strong should do a surprise drug screen for all scholarship players at 2:00pm today and see how many test positive for weed.
    I keep hearing about how Strong's drug rule changed the culture by eliminating the drug fiends.
    I will give you one dollar for every clean test and you give me twenty for every positive test.
    Any takers?
     
  24. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    How about if I just give your $20, and you give me some pot?
     
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  25. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    I'll take that action, and while we're making ridiculously unfeasible bets, I think Strong should do a surprise piss test for all scholarship players at 2:00pm today and see how many test positive for being discontented, entitled ****-for-brains.
     
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  26. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Are you Donna Shilala's son? I see a resemblance......(just playing with ya)........
     
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  27. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    I think Dion should surprise random drug test all of Hornfans as soon as they read this post. I'd be surprised if half of us weren't stoned :smokin:
     
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  28. LtSwtCrude

    LtSwtCrude Guest

    Cowherd this morning... 45 min after the announced permanent hire of the USC coach that was filling in. Cowherd said the coach was a good choice because USC is already a glamour program, you don't need a glamour coach. Just somebody who can really coach. Pointed out how well the team makes in-game adjustments, as all great coaches can do. By the 4th qtr Sat night, they owned UCLA.

    Think 77 and others have pointed out the remarkable (spelled awful) stat of how the team finishes when behind at the half. Isn't that the stat that is 0-11? When has this team looked better and better as the 2nd half unfolds toward the finish? How many times has the team found a way to lose it's hold on a game late in the 4th qtr? Dropped punt snap, or missed extra point, and last year unable to make a first down and the punt and let UCLA take a long play and complete a drive for the win. Or give up two quick TDs to Tech within about 3 min. And so on. Before all that, it was unable to even score in the 3rd quarter at times.

    Cowherd went on... it's not about wins and loses... it's about coaching. Can you coach. Does the game show that you coached through to a win, or held on for a win, or took a win? That somehow you over took the opposition, both players and opposing coach(es) alike?

    In all the stats and records and game-to-game outcomes and how those games progressed, where are we seeing really top-notch coaching? It's almost as if the players somehow make a play, or don't. There is no guiding or inspiring hand to bring about the probable outcomes.

    Cowherd also said great coaches do lose, yes, but not by much. Do not get that out-played or out-coached. Kelley lost to Clemson and Stanford, but just barely. Just how those games went. The Stanford one, anyhow.

    Cowherd also said great coaches and their programs don't routinely beat themselves. Hardly ever. You have to really play well and be prepared, to beat them.
     
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  29. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    I need everyone to pee in a cup right away and pass it down the aisle to Longhorn Catholic, who will be collecting samples for us. Please wash your hands thoroughly before returning to your posting duties.
     
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  30. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Dion, can you start with 56 Bells and OldHippie? Based on their unwavering denial of the obvious, they are definitely smoking something.

    (Sorry boys but I couldn't help myself.)
     
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