Post Game Random Thoughts - TT vs UT

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Godz40acres, Nov 28, 2015.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts



     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  3. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Pretty simple. When your hiring criteria is "Someone who's won multiple national championships or had a successful stint in the NFL", you have a pretty small window of who is "qualified." So if/when that person doesn't work out, it's easy to say "they weren't qualified." They were never going to BE qualified unless they turned out to be qualified, in which case they were qualified all along, even though they had the same qualifications as the guys you said were NOT qualified. Basically hiring anyone other than Nick Saban or Urban Meyer requires access to a time machine if you're a Texas fan.
     
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  4. Chinstrap

    Chinstrap 1,000+ Posts

    So with two freshman on the "O" line and no D-1 q-back, Charlie should go after two years? Check the NFL rosters and the Div 1 rosters for outstanding Texas high school quarterbacks, none of which were recruited by Texas. Perhaps that is not Charlie's fault.

    Now if you want to talk about real man size blowouts, well I have four pretty good "hole cards" to play. Blow U beats Texas as follows; 63-14 in 2000, 63-13 in 2003, 55-17 in 2011 and 63-21 in 2012. Makes that Iowa State score look pretty good. And what if you fired Mack after those first two blowouts? No MNC! And were the boys ready to play these games?

    Mack was a very good coach and a very good recruiter. But, like all coaches, he had his days in the dumpster. I fail to understand the preoccupation with Iowa State and Charlie. He needs some time, at least 3-4 years to be fair. Wonder what some on this board would say if he went undefeated his first two years and bolted for another job. Wow! Now wouldn't that be a deal?

    Why don't we fall in behind what we have and help sell Texas to some quality high school recruits? Might as well; he ain't going nowhere.
     
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  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Better yet, what if Strong goes undefeated in 2017, and then leaves for another job giving certain Texas fans the finger on the way out?
     
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  6. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    There will be an agreement in principal until someone like Texas knocks on his door.
     
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  7. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Obviously this Board exists so that avid Longhorn fans can express their opinions. Mine differs from yours. Fundamentally I would agree that a new coach should be given a reasonable period of time to implement "his" program, bring "his" people and recruit "his" players. And I would agree that, in general, three years would be "reasonable." But every rule must have exceptions.

    Sadly, I believe that Strong has performed poorly in many if not virtually every important measurable category. How anyone can get past the abomination we have seen since he took the job is beyond me. It's as though his supporters cannot be deterred. "The facts be damned, Charlie Strong deserves a third year." Well, simply put, I don't agree.

    As I asked another supporter on another thread, if there "any" scenario (i.e. on-field performance) under which you would believe that a change, now, is justified? Any? How about 0-25? I really believe that some of you, even at 0-25 with 40% of the losses being by 18 points or more, still wouldn't be willing to abandon ship.

    Let's agree to disagree.
     
  8. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    And I just as strongly believe there are some who would not be satisfied with 12-0 next season. It wouldn't be enough. Margin of victory not enough . Not enough shutouts. Still doesn't make up for ISU shutout last year. Three season record not to Texas standard. Recruiting class not ranked highly enough. Press conference presence not good enough. OC 'Greg Davis' not running the "right" system. Yada, yada, yada.
     
  9. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Duke,

    Herman agreed "in principle" to a new contract, which I'm sure has various exit clauses. He can probably leave for Texas, LSU, aTm, and Ohio State for a much lower buyout than lesser programs. There are plenty of openings, few that offer an up and coming new coach a great future. South Carolina could be a career ending move, with little upside. Who was the last HC in Columbia that "moved up"? Missouri? Not in this half of the Christian era. The convicts? Haven't gotten one of their top 5 or 10 choices since Jimmy Johnson. Herman is smart enough to stay with his returning talent and wait for the race near the 30th latitude.
     
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  10. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Totally understand that.

    So? We lost three full possessions in that game due to 2 D/ST scores and a defender turning it over back to the Rice offense, and basically two more where we scored on the 1st or 2nd play. That's 5 possessions that turned out 1 first down, none of which were due to us playing badly.

    You just explained it yourself as well as I could have.

    Total yards and first downs aren't very meaningful stats. In 2005 Tech outgained us and we won 52-17.

    Good point. Strong was a coordinator at a top program and a head coach at a mid-major. That's "qualified" (which doesn't mean "the right guy" or "going to succeed as a head coach of a top program).

    Bryan Harsin has similar qualifications to Strong. He was a coordinator at a top program and a head coach at a mid-major. If a top program hired Harsin, nobody would suggest that he's only qualified to be a WR coach.

    Tom Herman, the hot topic of CFB, was a coordinator at a top program and a head coach at a mid-major. Anybody suggesting they shouldn't hire him because he's only qualified to be an RB coach?

    Bob Stoops went straight from coordinator at a top program to head coach of top program and skipped the head coach of mid-major step. Obviously nobody at the time realized he was going to be as successful, but also nobody suggested that his resume meant he needed to be an LB coach first.
     
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