Texlarry Reporting on TOS That Strong Is Gone After Season

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by dukesteer, Nov 25, 2015.

  1. OldHippie

    OldHippie 2,500+ Posts

    Please tell the man I didn't kill anyone.
    I'm just trying to have me some fun.
     
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  2. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    Cowherd is an asshat.
     
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  3. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    correct
     
  4. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Actually Cowherd gives Asshats a bad name.
     
  5. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, Baylor did have an effing HEISMAN QB though. Arguably, The best college QB since VY.
     
  6. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    That asshat is RIGHT. Like it or not...He is RIGHT.
    You also have to ask...WHY do we not have a QB and no more than 2 good OL ? Mack has been gone TWO years ( two off-seasons ). Plenty of time to fix that problem.....but we still have it. I wonder why ???? Florida State, Michigan, OU, etc...found them a QB in that time frame.
     
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  7. wadster

    wadster 5,000+ Posts

    OU didn't even have to look. He just walked onto campus.
     
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  8. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    We have verbals from the 2 best qb's in the state.....of course, CS got them......Buechele for next season......and Ehlinger for the next year. We'll be rolling with those two as Horns.....finally, 2 REAL qb's!!!!
     
  9. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Same was said about Gilbert.
     
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  10. Chinstrap

    Chinstrap 1,000+ Posts

    There once was a beautiful carousel at the grandest of fairs,
    And it's beauty attracted the best of all who were there.

    But each time it began to turn, then would board the freaks of the side show,
    And after twice around they knocked those others off, with a malicious blow.

    Soon nobody came to board the ride,
    And the carousel spun aimlessly with only the freaks, and no one to chide.

    Snakeshit
     
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  11. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Some have said Charlie should be dumped in favor of Dustin Fuente, the Memphis coach, who is 19-6 over the past two years. He is young, a hot commodity, and likely to replace Beamer at Va. tech.

    What most screamers for Charlie's head on this board don't mention though is that Fuente was 7-17 his first two years at Memphis. Wise of Memphis to give Fuente the time to develop the program with his own players.

    Had Fuente been hired here the quick triggers on this board would have been demanding his firing after the first two years. That would have been a huge mistake.

    Could it be that the Memphis Athletic Department is wiser than ours? They were not frightened chicken littles, and gave their new coach the time necessary to have a real shot for success. We shall see.
     
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  12. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    You need time to build at a school like Memphis, not so much at Texas. Especially when you have talent. It would be interesting to see what Harbaugh or Fedora would have accomplished in the same situation Strong took over at Texas. I don't see either of them having a losing season or not having top recruiting classes.
    If I was recruiting against Texas, I would make sure the prospect took a trip to Texas and looked at the dorm room he would be staying in for three years. I would then show him where he would be staying at my school. On top of the dorm thing, losing, terrible coaching and bad rapport with Texas high school coaches is not the formula for recruiting success in Texas.
    We are not Memphis, we are Texas. Perhaps Strong can get the Memphis Head Coaching job where he can take years to build a team with bad assistant coaches. He could take the terrible secondary coach with him back to Memphis.
     
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  13. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    Exactly.
     
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  14. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    This is exactly what I was saying in 2013, when Mack was three years into his rebuilding process. Mack got three years. Its only fair the new guy gets as many.
     
  15. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    How many losing seasons in those three years? I seem to remember winning no less than 8 games a year and winning 2 out of 3 bowl games. I would rather rebuild that way. If Brown had gone 6-7 in 2011 with 59 yards of offense in a bowl game losing to piggy and 4-8 or 5-7(I can hope) with no bowl game and a shut out loss to 3-8 Iowa State in 2012, he would not have been given a third year in 2013. There should not be a different standard for Strong. DS, every time I try to leave Mack behind, you pull me back in. Ha!
     
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  16. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I was a major critic of Mack Brown often but, compared to what we have seen this year and last, his early years were ...spectacular. He took over a 4-7 team and delivered 9 wins the next three years, stepping up to 11 the following two...

    Was Strong's cupboard so bare? Well, he inherited two five star running backs, a first round draft choice DL and probably the defensive rookie of the year in the NFL, had Hicks not been injured. There were others.

    My point is that Strong appears to have done less, much less, than what Brown did with arguably about the same or a similar talent pool. Truth be told, I don't believe that Brown won a conference championship until his NC year, 2005, and he did have his meltdowns. But they were fewer and farther between.

    It's hard to overstate the ineptitude we have observed over Strong's first two years.
     
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  17. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Don't sugar coat it, anyone that thinks Strong is even in the same coaching stratosphere as a young Mack Brown is completely clueless. That being said, older Mack wore down and detached in the twilight years and deserved to be replaced.

    CS couldn't carry younger Texas Mack's head coaching jock. Head coaching duties at Texas also include rallying the fanbase support, dominating Texas recruiting, and hiring a competent staff that can win many games against good opposing assistants. By every metric younger Mack obliterates CS.

    Here's the kicker to all this. Who would I rather have coached this team the last two seasons...2013 Mack or 2014/15 Strong? I'd pick Mack every day of the week.

    No f'n way even a worn down Mack would lose 15 games in 2 seasons. Hell last time he did that was 1989 at North Carolina...24 years before we hired CS.

    It's not a case of needing to let Mack go because it was the right call. The wrong call was the replacement. It was a valiant effort with reasonable promise.

    15 losses and 9+ blowouts later...the experiment failed. Wasting more time treating symptoms and not the underlying disease is useless when the goal is to win the conference asap.

    Yearly improvement (we don't have) was not the goal when firing Mack. To leap the 8 or 9 wins hurdle and compete for titles again soon was what the fan base was screaming for. Look where the expectations and barometer for success rests now. Shameful.
     
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  18. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    From Crude's post above that 54 and others say is right: "Cowherd also said great coaches do lose, yes, but not by much. Do not get that out-played or out-coached. Kelley lost to Clemson and Stanford, but just barely. Just how those games went. The Stanford one, anyhow."

    According to Posters agreeing with Cowherd's logic, then Mack would have been long gone before he ever won a MNC with VY and before he had a shot at another with Colt. Remember, Mack routinely got his a-- reamed out by Stoops when ou frequently (twoTIMES) hung over 60 on Mack's star studded horn teams. And somehow, according to the oh so wise posters here back then, Mack consistently found a way to "lose the big one" until VY came along. Remember all the B12 conference championship opportunities that never were realized?

    And this was when Mack was getting top FIVE recruiting classes year after year; and still no B12 titles.

    So was it a mistake when Dodd's didn't fire mack after ou hung 60 on Mack for the second or third time a few years into mack's tenure here? Had he done so, then Mack would have never led us to beat USC in the greatest game of the decade.
     
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  19. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Mack was 18-8 (12-4) his first two seasons at Texas.

    Before VY took a snap at Texas he was 49-15 (32-8).

    As a matter of fact, Mack racked up the exact number of losses (15) in his first 5 seasons (pre-VY) as CS will have after 2 seasons.

    Comparing apples and beef jerky would be a more worthy attempt. CS looks like a peewee flag football coach next to Mack's early years at Texas.
     
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  20. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Mack's last 4 season's at Texas he was 19-17 in the B12. Just two games over .500. Mack was a great coach. But the team and players he was recruiting here were not up to previous standards. Either athletically or personally.

    Thank goodness Mack had Ricky Williams and a great offensive line left here by Mackovic. And to Mack's great credit he utilized those resources very will indeed.
     
  21. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Mack's last 3 seasons at Texas he was 25-14.
    Mack's 3 seasons prior to his last 3 seasons at Texas he was 30-9.
    Mack's last 6 seasons at Texas he was 55-23.

    See? I can hide 2010 as well as you expose it.

    Hard to hide 10-14. I am not sure it can be done.
     
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  22. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Strong has the worst winning percentage over his first 2 seasons since Dana Bible in 1938. He has the 2nd worst winning percentage over his first 2 seasons in all of UT football history.

    No coach since Bible has failed to win 11 games the first 2 seasons. All 7 coaches took over a losing program and all 7 coaches produced a winning first season. CS assumed an 8-5 winning program and produced two losing seasons.

    Funny how so many UT coaches took over worse performing teams and produced an instant winning season, but 8-5 Mack left the cupboard more bare than anytime in the last 77 years I guess. :rolleyes1:
     
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  23. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    I think it is a completely different job to get 2-3 stars to play like 4 Stars --than getting 5 stars to play like 5 stars, especially at Texas. Many times our best performers are the 2-3 star players here. Doing well at Houston, Memphis etc... doesn't translate to doing well here.
    Strong was a trendy pick, and many media people thought he should get a shot. It is obvious he is not getting it done.
    That being said, we have a decent shot of beating Baylor. If we do, no crowd surfing please-we are still Texas, not Louisville.
     
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  24. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Routinely is two? These are the blowout losses of Mack Brown from 1998-2005. That is 8 seasons:

    1998 @Kansas State 7-48 (41 points)

    2000 *Arkansas 6-27 (21 points) (Cotton Bowl)

    2000 ^Oklahoma 14-63 (49 points) (Dallas)

    2003 ^Oklahoma 13-65 (52 points) (Dallas)

    FOUR TIMES. In Mack Brown's first 8 seasons he was blown out 4 times! 0 of those losses occurred at home at DKR!

    Charlie Strong's blowout losses in 2 seasons with 1 game left this year:

    2014 BYU 7-41 (34 points)

    2014 Baylor 7-28 (21 points)

    2014 @Kansas State 0-23 (23 points)

    2014 TCU 10-48 (38 points)

    2014 *Arkansas 7-31 (24 points) (Texas Bowl)

    2015 @Notre Dame 3-38 (35 points)

    2015 @TCU 7-50 (43 points)

    2015 @ Iowa State 0-24 (24 points)

    EIGHT TIMES. In Charlie Strong's first 2 seasons he has been blown out so far 8 times! 3 of those losses occurred at home at DKR!

    Also, Mack did not get fired when he started because he kept setting us up to play for the big one. So far we have either played for a lower tier bowl or tiddlywinks under Strong.

    I think a lot of people only remember Vince Young and do not comprehend we won a lot of games before he showed up.

    I guess Charlie's accomplishment is that his blowouts have not been against OU or that we are so bad that other teams (like TCU) take mercy on us and do not run up the score like Stoops back in the day?
     
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  25. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    A lot of people don't remember Augie's first two years.
     
  26. Dalmore 62

    Dalmore 62 < 25 Posts

    Augie Garrido. The greatest college baseball coach in the history of that sport. The man is a genius, and a Lower Afghanistanian Buddhist.
     
  27. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    ^ people want to fire him... and he won the big 12 tournament last year.
     
  28. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    I know a pretty good pitching coach, that had a lot to do with all the above.

    Skip may be Pentacostal, because his pitching staff pitches with no fear, like they handle snakes before every game.

    I would take a Haitian hitting instructor armed with dolls and pins, if that would make the hitting better.

    I take my baseball wherever it comes from, even on a football board.
     
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  29. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    But Mack never lost 8 games in a season.......Yes, I am already counting the Baylor loss.
     
  30. 56 Bells

    56 Bells 500+ Posts

    Yet another Mack Brown misjudgment.....Gilbert......or inability to help him improve.

    Buechele is being chased after by at leat 20 top-notch programs, and Ehlinger, even with one more year of high school, has turned heads of coaches across the nation. Thank Gawd he made it clear that he has no interest in anyone but UT.
    fyi: If CS is such a bad coach, as so many of you think, why would these 2 top qb's jump to play under him?
     

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