Texlarry Reporting on TOS That Strong Is Gone After Season

We won a lot of games after Vince Young. 08 and 09 were top notch. Still think the 08 team was quite a bit better then the 09 team, but we farted that one away not running clock on the last drive. We had that one. It was in our control, and we didn't do the little things to make it. Still kills me. As a coach you can't control a freshman dropping a pick, but you can damn sure control when a RS-Jr snaps the friggin ball.

 

Because they want to play at THE University of Texas at Austin, and they know this loser coach will be gone by their redshirt freshman (or freshman) year.

 

Watson has developed far fewer QBs (a total or 1) than Mack Brown or Greg Davis. Heard and Swoopes have not developed under him. I doubt the recruits are aware of this. They are high school football players and not rationally thinking adults. I played high school football. The division 1 athletes usually just went where a high school coach or family member told them. They did not generally know the histories of the coaches, etc.

 

I love how 16 years of great recruiting is reduced to Gilbert.

 

Prior to Simms, Young and Gilbert how many not Bobby Lane QBs did we put in the NFL?

Watson in 20 years only put Bridgewater (who he did not recruit) in the NFL and people have faith in his qb recruiting?

 

Gilbert was National POY and could have named his school. Just saying greatness as a HS QB does not always translate to greatness as a college QB, and to count on one elevating a 4-8 (that really was closer to a 2-10) team to 8+ wins the next season still with only 2 quality OL'men is a bit of a stretch.

 

Yes, but because a POY QB recruit, that could go to any school he wanted to go to, did not pan out, the reasoning is Strong could only have 2 losing seasons and not succeed.

 

Holding spot until Luck is available.

 

The reason Buechele and Ehlinger will be huge successes at UT is because both ARE rationally thinking people. For qb's like certain others you mentioned, you can't teach someone how to do something they're incapable of doing.....on many fronts/in many areas. really like Swoopes and Heard----seem like very nice guys, but neither are pure passers.

 

We lost to Cal, ttu, osu by very close margins. Could just as easily be 7 wins as two. And the season is not over yet. Who knows, the football takes strange bounces, the Horns could win this Saturday. Odds are against it, but it could happen.

 

Now we're really reaching to insulate Strong. Close losses could easily have made our season better if we had won? We didn't win, that's the point.

I bet Ohio State would like to erase their 3-point loss to Mich St. too. They'd be playing for the Big 10 title and playoffs. That's not how football works.

Close losses to 7-5 Cal and 7-5 TTU are easily understood when you add the undisciplined beatdowns by 3-9 ISU and 7-4 WVU to the big picture.

Let's say the ball bounced CS's way a few extra times. As ridiculous as that is considering a coach consistently finding a way to lose close games is part of the problem now.

I'll accept OSU because that win was ours without countless screw job calls. As for Cal and TTU, both were close but reversing every close loss is ridiculous. Cal came down to the end but even in OT we likely get outscored. Let's accept one and erase the TTU loss.

Where would we be after handing CS two wins he didn't earn on the field...6-6. Wow, that's amazing. 6-6 again, still no improvement over last year's reg season record. Still got hammered by ND, TCU, ISU, WVU, and likely Baylor.

Even with two unearned mulligans, CS still falls short of what he vowed was unacceptable this year and would never happen at Texas again.

Come on people, call this pathetic coaching performance what it is...the worst since 1956. The last time Texas lost over 7 games in a season was 59 years ago.

 

Since the subject of the title isn't going to happen, can this thread die and start the conversation of Strong elsewhere?

 

But ... but ... texlarry, sua sponte, and Jesus Shuttlesworth promised that Charlie Strong would be gone as soon as the season ended and the season's not over yet. What's the deal?

 

I agree that college football takes strange bounces, for example: 4-8 TCU in 2013 becoming 12-1 dominant TCU in 2014. But those strange bounces all have a common denominator: good head coaches with reigns on the program.

Texas does not have one of those good head coaches.

You can argue that Charlie Strong is close to being 7-4 right now and has had a lot of bad luck, but look at it closer. Cal is probably the worst defense the Horns faced this year barring Kansas. Texas scored 44 points, AND LOST. And not to mention that even though that game came down to an extra point, people seem to forget (1) Cal had plenty of time left to drive down the field and win (Texas hadn't stopped them hardly all game), and (2) a receiver of their's dropped a sure 3rd down conversion that would've iced the game before Jerrod's last touchdown.

Texas Tech lost to the four top teams in this conference, with the average margin of defeat being 23.5 points. In each of those four contests, the lowest amount of points conceded was 55, and that was in Lubbock against TCU, a team that had played very shoddy offense compared to what they were capable of. This past week, Texas went for a 4th and 7, on their own 40, and dialed up a play for one of the least reliable passers to target one of the least reliable receivers way down field. That is clearly on coaching.

Sure Oklahoma State was a good team, and there were questionable calls, but in close games like that with suspect flags, good teams find a way to win. Those good teams don't win by going 3-and-out something like 4 or 5 times in a row to end the game (pretty sure Texas didn't have a first down in the entire fourth quarter) and then muff a punt snap.

The team played well at times this season. Probably better than 4-7, likely 4-8, will reflect. And for sure the talent reflects better than 4-8, seeing as even Paul Rhoads agrees. But this coaching staff did not put this team in a position to win countless times this year, and as long as Charlie is in charge, it's hard to imagine they ever will.

 

I understand your frustration. I really do. Charlie did have a very good run at Louisville. He won big. He recruited well last year. No reason to think he won't have a big finish this year. Many coaches have slow starts when they begin jobs at new schools. And Charlie's start has been disappointingly slow. And his loyalty to Shawn Watson has been a problem, which will (we hope) be fixed by Cumbie being hired this year.

Just saying I think Charlie will surprise you and many others next year. And I know if Charlie wins big you'll be a big supporter. And if he really cannot turn it around then he will be gone, and it begins all over again.

 

So, Viperhorn, you're saying that having a top-notch super qb would not/will not help UT?
Seriously?

 

No I am saying counting on a Freshman or a RE Freshman QB to witn 9+ games in their first year is probably pissing in the wind. This isn't high school with varying maturity levels.

In the world of 85 scholarships, exceptional experienced QB's can make a difference. However you have to have a complete team - and the Texas defense situation is as bad as the Texas QB situation.

 

I do not understand why our fans think a freshman QB will save us. How many good true freshmen QBs have their ever been? Colt, Johnny, etc were redshirt freshmen and they were rare for redshirt freshmen. Most QBs do not play until they are junios. A problem Texas has is building depth at QB and not playing someone until junior year. Instead we keep plugging rookie QBs in like the Cleveland Browns and keep hoping they will be the one rare player that does not need experience.

It's possible we could have a good freshmen QB, the likihood is just very low. Swoopes and Heard likely remain atop the depth chart next year. Also Heard is a redshirt freshman. VY was not that great as a redshirt freshmen. There was a reason Chance Mock kept playing. Finally, we've never even run a proper spread that Heard and Swoopes were intended to run when they were recruited.

If we get Cumbie, he might be able to run the offense that suits Heard just like he did with Boykin.

 

This is correct. Patterson did not have that great of an offensive team before he brought in Cumbie. The stats went way up after that hire and Boykin progressed rapidly as well. I think our QB talent is more suited to a running spread attack but if Cumbie could get Jerrod Heard to pass like Boykin who cares. The talent is there, that much is very obvious if you know football. It is just very young inexperienced talent. CS played mostly freshman he recruited at Louisville and went 7-6, 7-6. Afterwards, he went 23-3 because those freshman grew up, and he kept recruiting. This is a formula that has worked before and was clearly discussed before he was even hired. He has said this in interviews as have his assistance. BON has articles about it.

So, based on his first two years at Louisville and at Texas playing freshman is an investment in the future that pays dividends later on. As fans we need to be educated and show more faith. Patience will pay off....I bet we win 9-11 games next year if we bring in a new OC.

 

OMT, we still need to bring in a JUCO QB due to lack of experienced depth but I am no coach.

 

We absolutely need to bring in an experienced JUCO arm. Look at how many Big 12 starting QB's didn't play a full season. It's been years since one Texas QB started every game.

Without question we need two competent QB's that can get it done next year. With Heard and 3 young QB's with no experience, a JUCO add is very important.

 

If Charlie doesn't want to fail and lose his job at Texas he better bring in a good JUCO QB in case the Freshman needs time to get to NCAA speed or gets hurt. If he has to rely on Swoopes or Heard to win him 9 games he is in deep trouble. With our defense we will have to score 30 points or more per game to win 9 games. Rice, Kansas, Tech, and California are the only teams we scored that much on....and we still lost half of those.

 

How many JUCO QB's have lead their team to a Conference Championship in their first year? One (Newton) and he wasn't a real JUCO product as he signed with a D-1 school first and then scammed the system for the best payday.

There is a reason they are JUCO and not playing at a FBS or FCS school.

 

Sometimes academics.