What's Going on at University of Missouri?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Musburger1, Nov 8, 2015.

  1. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Even more importantly, I hope the students that participated in the nonsense look back and recognize that over-amplifying and particular issue is nonsensical.
     
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  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Of course, you're correct. However, what happens when your boss tries to "friend" you on Facebook? That happened to my wife in a previous job, and it put her in a weird position. If she accepts the friendship, then she has to censor herself or specifically exclude her boss from viewing certain posts. However, if she ignores the friendship request, then she looks like a ***** who doesn't like her boss or like somebody who posts things on Facebook that she's embarrassed about. (This particular boss would have taken it personally if she hadn't accepted the friendship.)
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  4. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not sure what's more funny... that video or watching the panel squirming and trying not to look offended. The sketch artist at the end was fantastic.
     
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  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Not Missouri or even a US campus, but perhaps a tale of what happens once they leave the safe zone. The rest of the world needs a safe zone from the safe zoners


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  8. utempire

    utempire 1,000+ Posts

    What's going on is mizzou is done for. They are now and will remain bottom dwellers in the conference they wanted so much to be in.
     
  9. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    I don't normally swear, but these ******* idiots make me want to punch them all in the throat.
    Every last one.
     
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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Seattle jobs after raising the minimum wage
    Their job losses from April-Dec. 2015 were the worst over any 9-month period since the Great Recession
    Who could have seen that coming?

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  11. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    The radical right and the radical left are both pointing to isolated data and screaming, "see, I told you". A full analysis requires more time and thought than anyone with a political agenda can possible be expected to devote before leaping to a conclusion.

    Yes, the early Seattle data show a correlation between an increase in the minimum wage and an increase in unemployment. This, Joe Fan implies, proves a causal relation that could and should have been predicted.

    But that conclusion is contradicted by the data showing a decrease in statewide unemployment following a statewide increase in the minimum wage. By Joe Fan's simplistic "correlation proves causation" logic, this proves that higher minimum wages in Washington State have caused decreased unemployment. Of course, this is silly -- but no more so than the suggestion that the case has been proven in Seattle.
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    It is neither isolated data nor an isolated theory. The formula itself is as old as time. Raise the price of X, people buy less of X. Here, X = labor. It's not that complicated and I have no idea why you seek to pretend it is debatable.
     
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  13. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    there is the inelastic demand part which could complicate things a bit. also the cartel effect where all do it and the buyers who need to buy lunch downtown are forced to pay the higher prices.(so fast food or food type jobs can allow it moreso with less effect overall)

    Still the higher price leading to less demand, even at differing slopes of that line, is still pretty cut and dried as a rule.(always exceptions as I mentioned above and I'm sure there are more)
     
  14. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Wow, the top of my head just exploded into purple smoke like the commercial. NO ONE ON EARTH could have possibly seen that coming.
     
  15. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    http://www.browndailyherald.com/2016/02/18/schoolwork-advocacy-place-strain-on-student-activists/

    "There are people breaking down, dropping out of classes and failing classes because of the activism work they are taking on,” said David, an undergraduate whose name has been changed to preserve anonymity. Throughout the year, he has worked to confront issues of racism and diversity on campus.

    His role as a student activist has taken a toll on his mental, physical and emotional health. “My grades dropped dramatically. My health completely changed. I lost weight. I’m on antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills right now. (Counseling and Psychological Services) counselors called me. I had deans calling me to make sure I was okay,” he said.....

    When faced with the decision of completing activist work or studying for an exam, students sometimes feel obligated to choose the former, said Liliana Sampedro ’18. This choice, often made by students advocating for increased diversity on campus, “has systemic effects on students of color,” she added."

    ^ do these people think when they get a job one day, they'll be able to just take off of work as they please?

    http://totalfratmove.com/ivy-league...otesting/?utm_medium=short&utm_source=Twitter

    One college website had a take on the article.
     
  16. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    So how do you explain the fact that the price of labor in Washington State was artificially raised, but companies nonetheless bought more labor? Or the similar experiences in various places around the country? New Jersey and Oregon come to mind, but there have been others.

    Economies are complex webs of feedback loops. It is true that, for a given demand curve, an artificial price increase will reduce the quantity demanded. We all learned that in Econ 101. But we also learned (or most of us did) that where the demand curve itself is impacted by the price change, whether directly or indirectly, the analysis is not nearly so simple.

    In the current example, the money paid to workers feeds back into the economy, stimulating demand for goods and services. This increases demand for labor, counterbalancing the price-induced decrease in quantity demanded.

    Whether the good outweighs the bad, or vice versa, depends on a wide range of facts and circumstances. It is fair to say that increases in the minimum wage are a bad idea if they are too large, or introduced too quickly. Did Seattle overshoot the mark? I personally think they did, but the analysis isn't nearly as clear cut as you make it out to be.
     
  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I think these students are forgetting that the primary purpose of college is acquiring the information that comes from doing the coursework. If you can't keep up with that while also being a full time SJW, then perhaps you need to become a part-time SJW. Link.
     
  18. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    I would agree that markets are very complex, but there are two other inherent problems with raising the minimum wage that were not mentioned:

    • It incentivizes businesses to reduce number of unskilled workers through efficiency, automation, or simply accepting lower quality service.
    • Business expansion in or into markets with a higher minimum wage is much less attractive due to compression on profit margins.
     
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  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not a fan of the "living wage" increase in Seattle. Honestly, I don't believe all jobs are worth $12-$13 (phase 1) and eventually $15 (final phase) of the increase. The fact that the ordinance doesn't account for tips in that wage further frustrates me as now a waiter can make as much as a teacher if not more in many situations. Society is ****** up when an average waiter can make as much as an inexperienced teacher.

    Overall I do support minimum wage increases but it's the giant leaps that Seattle is embracing that concerns me. Our State minimum wage is already approaching $10/hr. My 16yr old son got his first job at a local movie theater at $10/hr.
     
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  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  21. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    my chase bank just put in an automatic teller(ATM machine on steroids) in the lobby. very cool. not so cool if you are a teller demanding 15$ an hour.
     
  22. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Get ready for the lawsuit. It's coming, and they will settle with her. Sad but true.
     
  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Same person?

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  24. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Teddy Roosevelt was certainly a macho man, but I don't know if he was THAT masculine.
     
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  25. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

  26. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

  27. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Melissa Click's Washington Post response:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-like-if-no-one-ever-took-a-chance/?tid=sm_tw

    I sure don't blame her for wanting to get her side of the story out ... not to mention a more attractive picture.

    I'd also like to call attention to a quote from another learned academic, a guy who taught welding at Cooke County College. "No experience is worthless. You can always use it as a bad example."

    I think Click's contributions to "Communications Studies" for a brief moment will be as important as the famed "Cherry Sisters" case was to Journalism and Libel Law, not so much as a researcher, but as an example. I don't think it especially unfair that a pilot who crashes a jumbo jet 100 feet short of the runway is remembered for his mistakes, not the flawless first 2 hours of the flight.
     
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  28. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Technically a parade is a group getting together and exercising their free expression rights. So she actually begins her defense by talking about a second time no one knew about where she supported a group suppressing the free speech of others.

    I guess the klan could use the "we werent always perfect in using our free speech" argument as well with regard to placing burning crosses on the private property of others.

    I absolutely agree that society's social media attacks on people are extremely disproportionate. I mean, to tell her how bad its gotten, some students at a university in Missouri got together and demanded the president and chancellor resign because some random student they did not have control over was a poop nazi!

    I would love to know her position on the two oklahoma fraternity kids who were expelled for singing a racist song off campus.
     
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  29. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Like the Oklahoma University frat boys, Click damaged a state university's national image. Unlike those boys, she was a sober adult who should reasonably have expected her outburst would be recorded and made public. I don't think I've ever had a job I could keep after cussing out police officers on camera.
     
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  30. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

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