New Big 12 Expansion Rumor

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by LonghornCatholic, Dec 8, 2014.

  1. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    There is really nobody out there worth bringing in. Anyone who is anyone is happy where they are in power 5 conferences already....The big 12 screwed up when things were developing back when Colorado and Nebraska left.
     
  2. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Nebraska was the keystone that made everything else fall apart. They listened to the butthurt Aggies about how the LHN was going to showcase HS recruits and had the leverage to get a Big 10 invite and hopefully piggyback off of that network for the same treatment.

    I know that they'd be more comfortable in the Big 12, save for getting their **** pushed in by Texas more often than not. They haven't had enough success in the other conference, or any natural rivalry games.
     
  3. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    54,

    The Big XII didn't "screw up" with CU and the children of the corn. The Big XII totally humped the puppy by letting Chuckie NeinASS walk through DFW, much less be associated with the Big XII. You had two major football powers, one of whom travels as well as any of the big programs, with their applications filled out and money in hand, when NeinASS got involved. Neither of those schools is happy about their present situation, and in my opinion could be lured back, IF the changes are made to the Big XII front office, which would only increase the intelligence in that building.

    I say this because, if those two high profile programs are unhappy, there are likely a few others out there which might consider an overture. Only way that happens is for Boren to lead the charge and let us tag along for window dressing.

    When the first deal was cut, we had a guy named Deloss Dodds. Now, thanks to Bill Powers, we have all the credibility of a crack ***** in Nuevo Laredo when it comes to those two schools.
     
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  4. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The quicker it implodes the better. Texas, ou (which also means OSU) and BYU/Boise to the PAC and let the remainder of the Big XII find their own homes.
     
  5. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not want Colorado back. I honestly forget they are gone. Looking at their recent results and the legalization of weed in their state, I think CU themselves even forget they have football games to play.

    Does anyone REALLY miss colorado or missouri?
     
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  6. aUTfan

    aUTfan 2,500+ Posts

    No, and i don't see Nebraska or A&M ever wanting to come back, i'm pretty sure they hate UT more then they love their new digs so there won't be any changes for them.

    Ive always thought Clemson and FSU could come and we could have a west and an east kinda deal but I just dont see any major players wanting to come but IDK.
     
  7. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    HS,

    The only way to get FSU & the Sons of Klem is to clean house in Las Colinas. Oliver Luck is the only way to mend that fence.

    Why would they come? Or why were they coming in the first place? Swofford was afraid of his "basketball empire" imploding. There were only two quality football prograams in the ACC - Clemson, which has a large following and travels very well, and FSU, which travels like Rice, but has a national appeal. Swofford went out and brought in Loserville, ND Lite, UConn & Syr-excuse, none of whom brought one damn thing to the table. During the process, FSU and Terry Don went ballistic. Bringing a bunch of non football ******** schools into the conference, adding no TVs, no big draws, and no schools that travel. Both schools knew that the ACC was a one school conference - UNC, Nike's fair haired child and Swofford's alma mater.

    They are still steaming, but the way they were totally ignored while NeinASS kissed ND's *** caused them to tell the conference to f**k off. They trust no one in the Big XII office. They do trust Oliver Luck and Deloss.

    Want em? That's the only way to get them, plus help with the exit fee.

    As for BYU, do you really think two Christian schools will let BYU into the Big XII if they have a say?
     
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  8. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Court some big time schools who are might enjoy the excitement of playing ou or Texas regularly. How about Va. Tech and Clemson; BYU and ND.
     
  9. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Cary,

    ND played NeinASS like a cheap guitar. They aren't joining the conference. Between Swofford and NeinASS chasing them and promising God knows what, they laughed their *** off at NeinASS, and screwed Swofford like a five dollar crack *****. They are technically a member of the ACC, but don't have to give up any of their money.

    VT wants in the SEC.

    It is doubtful Clemson would move without FSU. Terry Don being from Longview was likely much easier to deal with than the present AD.

    Again, I can't imagine two Christian schools allowing BYU into the Big XII if they have any say.

    I think there are thee possibilities:

    1) The Big XII continues status quo, while awaiting the big reshuffle

    2) Boren pulls off a deal for OU & oSu to move, making Texas go private until #3 occurs.

    3) Slive & Delaney get together, make Luck head of the NCAA or its successor, and realign the power schools into either four or eight groups. The big debate remains which schools get left behind. Once done, Slive & Delaney renegotiate several TV contracts or the entire thing falls apart. Delaney is really good at screwing the TV execs - see what Rutgers & Maryland cost the TV networks.

    Our only hope for solid representation as a power player in this ordeal is Deloss and/or Luck.
     
  10. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    In other words, it ain't happen'.
     
  11. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Especially #3.
     
  12. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I would make a run at Arkansas. Their move the SEC has been less successful than a$m's.
     
  13. aUTfan

    aUTfan 2,500+ Posts

    I'm pretty sure Arkansas (the entire state) would throw a riot, those folks hate UT and anything associated with it (the big XII) worse then anything.
     
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  14. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    OK, here again I must reveal my ignorance. (this is very embarrassing) Who is NeinASS?
     
  15. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    It seems the only hope for the Big 12-2 is to poach a couple of schools that are already in Power 5 conferences. Otherwise, BYU and ND don't seem interested and the next option down the list (Cincy?) is a toad.

    Question is what can the Big 12 possibly offer to make it attractive to a power 5 team, and who who would listen?
     
  16. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    The Big 12 is dead the minute OU or Texas is left out of the play-offs when they are undefeated or tied with one loss with 2 or 3 of the other potential play-off teams. Had OU been left out this past year the Big 12 would have folded by Summer's end. The Pac 12 having no 1 loss or unbeaten team this year saved the Big 12.
     
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  17. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Sabre NAILED it! Adding UCONN adds nothing and IMO weakens the B12. No Thanks!!

    Cincy isn't bad, I'm neutral on them right now. UHouston, are doing well currently, but what happens when Hermann gets hired away?
     
  18. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler Horn Fan

    Talk Iowa and NU into leaving the asinine 14 team Big1 alignment mess and moving to the Big 12. Turn LHN into Big12 Network and share revenues. Add the champ game for more $$$ and end of season interest. I would even give up WVU and invite Missou back. That would "strengthen" the conference in rep and tradition if nothing else. You would have a large, geographically sensible conference with numerous good teams.
     
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  19. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Swoggler,

    Again, Iowa and Northwestern bring absolutely nothing to the table. The Big XII television deal is nowhere near the "ankle grabber" that TV signed with the BigTen. Iowa is the second coming of Nebraska without the great fans and/or the following. Like Nebraska, there are more TVs in the Houston SMSA than in the entire state of Iowa. They had a couple of runs in the 50s, then after Hayden started selling bumper stickers that said, "Hook em Hawks - well if it works for Texas", Hayden made them competitive for a while. Plus, it ain't a good road trip.

    Northwestern has a great TV audience for the twelve blocks around Evanston, and there is a nice view of the lake during the summer. The South side of Chicago couldn't spell Northwestern much less find it on a map. Rice has the same academics, is easier to get to, and has some history with the schools.

    Mizzou has no appeal to anyone. The BigTen wants them because, under the current tv contract, they get credit for KC & St Louis tv markets, much the way Rutgers gets credit for NYC, even though nobody in NYC would watch them play in the street during rush hour.

    Be careful about WVU, it is a political bomb. If Luck does indeed take over the NCAA, that is his school. As someone close to me said about Swofford & Luck, "Leave it to Swofford to piss off the only hillbilly in Mensa and who was a Rhodes Scholar".

    As for the mention of Arkansas. Coach Broyles moved them primarily for the money. The Hogs were bleeding red in the accounting department. The move helped them financially whether they were successful in the W-L column or not. The mom & pop merchants in Western Arkansas suffered greatly because the Texans supporting their schools were no longer driving to Washington County. I believe that the two largest alumni clubs for Arkansas are still in Dallas and Houston. Now that they have Johnny Tyson, John Hunt, and the Waltonaires, it may make sense to approach them.

    My fear is the cretin corp in Las Colinas is going to try to do a land grab using rationalization that won't hold air much less water; thus, we wind up with Memphis, Cincinnati, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, & Houston. They can then fill in the spots vacated by OU,Texas, & oSu with East Carolina, and two Florida directional schools.
     
  20. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    As a Longhorn baseball fan, I am in no way, shape or form willing to give up the Longhorn network.

    Any arrangment that ends without TV coverage of all of our baseball home games is a failure.
     
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  21. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler Horn Fan

    By NU I was referring to Nebraska. Sorry for the confusion. I was looking specifically at program quality and overall athletic dept quality. Iowa and Nebraska would be positives IMO. They may not have many TVs out in the farm lands but they have a lot of fan interest in their areas.

    All things considered, I still like the 10 team, play everyone in your conference setup. If we have to add a CCG to enhance our winners stature, do it. The main difference compared to other CCG's is that Big 12 winner and runnerup would ALWAYS be a rematch where other conferences would not always be rematches for that season.

    No interest in Arkie for me. I agree on the other smaller schools that don't offer much to the conference. WVU never made sense to me other than best available to fill a spot. Just seems bad to me to have a satellite conference member.
     
  22. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler Horn Fan

    Good point. I like LHN but would prefer a conference network.
     
  23. NBHorn7

    NBHorn7 Pimp Daddy

    Nebraska would never come back to the Big 12, no way, no how. It's not just about the LHN, it's about Nebraska not being as big a power broker as Texas and OU.

    Texas even offered aggy to be part of a joint network. That had to irk Nebraska. When that deal didn't happen after aggy refused, then it became LHN.

    They certainly hate Texas having a bigger say. Nebraska thought the Big 12 was going to fall apart when they left. Sometimes I think that they wanted to cause the demise of the Big 12, as much or more than joining the Big 10-14. They aren't going to come crawling back now.

    It would be about as likely as aggy returning to the Big 12.

    The Pigs might consider it, but I doubt it, just like Nebraska they want no part of being in a conference with Texas. Arkansas and aggy may never win a SEC football championship, but they both think they are with like minded people there and like it. They both love chanting SEC and Arkansas considers themselves part of Dixie.

    Missouri wanted to join the Big 10-14 and thought they were going to get in. When they didn't they had to take the SEC offer, since they had already bolted the Big 12. They are really the oddball school in the SEC. Joining the SEC was their modern version of the "Missouri Compromise." I guess the original version in 1820 is their tie to the SEC.

    Colorado always wanted to be part of the PAC 10, they aren't leaving it.

    There aren't many options out there, I don't think the conference really wants the headache that BYU can bring, not playing sports on Sunday.

    FSU and Clemson don't really have any need to leave the ACC, they are doing just fine there, as long as they win. Clemson has pretty much surplanted South Carolina, as the power in that state. FSU is equal to Florida in the sunshine state.

    Louisville was the obvious choice, as far as athletics go, but the Big 12 waited too long to approach them.
     
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  24. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    This is a great point and goes to show how delicate the Big 12's existence is. Its just a matter of time before the circumstances favor it, and the Big 12 will implode.
     
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  25. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Excellent analysis by NBHorn7 and I agree with Detective above. Seems that the head honchos in the B12 are thinking too much with their pocket books and too little their heads. This conference is like a house of cards waiting for a gust of wind.
     
  26. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    What sports on Sundays would BYU have a problem with, Basketball? not many Sunday games.....smaller sports, they can move them to Saturday or move the series to a Thursday to Saturday matchup? Tournaments, can be adjusted to end on Saturday, might improve ratings actually.......BYU and Sunday sports poses little to no problems...
     
  27. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    This. I switched to Uverse to get LHN (before Dish and DTV had it) just to get the baseball games. Watching the UT baseball team in HD is a wonderful thing. That's really all I want out of LHN.
     
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  28. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I don't get teams saying they want SO BAD to not be in a conference with Texas that they prefer to go suck hind-tit in the SEC or Big10. I can believe it, I just don't understand it.
     
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  29. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    NB,

    Good analysis. Thank you. The Big XII did not approach FSU and Clemson, it was the other way around. They are still unhappy. If Slive was still commissioner, I would expect that he would over rule Carolina & Florida, and add FSU & Clemson to the SEC. He would then come after Texas, OU, and oSu.

    Delaney would then expand by grabbing UVA & UNC, which were his original choices rather than UMd and Rutgers. UNC won't move without Duke, unless Phil Knight forces them to do it.

    Some conferences will need to trim the fat.

    Again, DKR and Coach Broyles proposed this in the late 60s and again in the 70s. One superconference divided into 4 divisions. Deloss is retired. Slive is retired. Is there anyone out there who commands enough respect and that could pull it off? Too many egos, too many "chiefs".
     
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  30. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Phil,

    If you truly want to understand it, perhaps attending Aggie Fish Camp later this year would be helpful. After your initial brainwashing, followed closely by a complete transfusion of hatred, you will learn why the fight song is totally dedicated to a school you no longer play. Who knows, maybe they will even give you your own set of women's riding boots complete with a boy scout uniform.:smile1:
     

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