Trump!!!

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by snek, Jun 17, 2015.

  1. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Heard someone talking on the train this weekend that confirmed this a little. She was railing on how mean Trump supports were, and talked about the guy who wore the "Free Hugs" tshirt to the rallies, and how the Trump people were allegedly mean to him, and the Bernie people were all nice and hugged him and said he was welcome. And she mentioned how Bernie was going to do free college for everyone, and how she couldn't support a racist/bigot for president. And she made fun of her dad who was saying that Bernie is a socialist who was going to redistribute wealth. It was pretty textbook.
     
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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Winner ticket?

    Trump-Lewinsky
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That's a lot of shekels
    Not very difficult to think of some better uses ....


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  4. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That's still less than it cost US taxpayers to discover Bill Clinton got a smoker from Monica Lewinsky. Fortunately, that $34M isn't our money.
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    June 19, 2015 Maher Show
    Listen to them laugh

     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    That reminds me that even a clock is right twice a day.
     
  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    And she should still be laughed at.
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    A new Hillary Clinton ad. Very predictable.
     
  9. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    The more research I do, the less I understand why Cruz backed out before California, especially since Trump pretty much has to get 50.1% of the total delegates, or else he'd be likely to lose on later ballots when delegates from the other candidates are no long bound.

    Let's not pretend the press didn't know that all this would be the result. Now their favorite candidate is going to get a big boost.
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The script writes itself. That ad won't sway the Trump supporters. It validates their support. How large is the undecided crowd at this point? Given how polarized the electorate is, I think that crowd is much smaller than in recent elections.
     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    538 taking some (deserved) heat over their Trump predictions

    (a bad word \/)
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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    JF
    Interesting article. I was not a Trump supporter, still am not but I would vote for him.
    he speaks pretty plainly and matter of factly about what he wants to do.
    When he speaks about the companies he would call because they are moving out of the country and ways to recoup loss of jobs I wonder how different that is from what BO and Hillary have long called for? How can Hillary bash Trump for this when she has called out corporations for the same thing?
    On muslim ban, isn't it a temporary ban until we have a better vetting system in place?

    I did laugh at Vicente Fox trying to sweet talk Trump, asking him to visit Mexico to see how nice the people are. It has never been about how nice they are. It is about them breaking our laws. They can stay in Mexico and still be very nice.
    going to be an interesting campaign for sure.
     
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  14. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I have to laugh when comparing that Trump article with all the accusations of Obama's ruling by Executive Order. Clearly Trump is ready to rule by fiat. Republicans (not conservatives) are OK with authoritarianism as long as he has an "R" next to his name.
     
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  15. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    IF Trump gets elected and IF he in FACT rules by fiat we can discuss it at that time
    For now you are what iffin'. I think in another post you ridiculed someone who speculated on what "might" happen
    OTOH what BO has done using EO is fact and nothing to laugh about.
     
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  16. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I think Trump could score big points by doing these 2 things:

    1) Publicly declare that Hillary is running for POTUS and for her freedom because, if he is elected, he will ask his new AG to indict her for National Security breaches immediately. Declare that the era of politicians getting away with law-breaking that puts the rest of us in jail is over when he is elected.

    2) Tell the public he will fix Obamacare by requiring all members of Congress to use it. Then say, "I guarantee they will fix it after that."
     
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  17. Aces_Full

    Aces_Full 500+ Posts

    I think both of those are great ideas.
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Wait, we shouldn't be concerned about what kind of President they'll be before they take office?

    Editors note: BO signed fewer EO's than his prior 2 predec
    Facts are challenging things when they don't support your desired narrative, huh? Obama is on pace to have fewer EOs than all but 3 previous 12 POTUS and they were each 1-term or less Presidents.

    Number of EO's per Wikipedia:
    Franklin D. Roosevelt 3,522
    Harry S. Truman 907
    Dwight D. Eisenhower 484
    John F. Kennedy 214
    Lyndon B. Johnson 325
    Richard Nixon 346
    Gerald R. Ford 169
    Jimmy Carter 320
    Ronald Reagan 381
    George H. W. Bush 166
    Bill Clinton 364
    George W. Bush 291
    Barack Obama (as of 2015-12-31)[11] 224

    Now it's time to pivot the argument to "it's not the volume EOs but the content of the EO". I'm ready for that BS argument too. Time to put this trope away and move on to real arguments.
     
  19. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    That is the real argument. I have no idea what the content was of enough of those to know, but it IS just as important as quantity.

    Only when he wants to. He can obfuscate as well as anyone. And a lot of what people call "speaking his mind" hardly equates to actually laying down what his plans and values are. Having no filter or decorum does not equal "an amazing person who finally just tells it like it is instead of sugarcoating".
     
  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Husker
    Really? You think it is the number of EOs that is the important measure?
    If that is what you truly think that is sad. However even when we disagree your points gave some level of substance so I doubt that is what you actually think. EOS are not points scored in a game
     
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Mexicans love me!

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  22. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

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    ^ the plot thickens. Apparently, trump restaurants do not serve taco bowls.
     
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  23. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm saying that Obama's use of the EO is no more or less ridiculous than his predecessors. It's a Brietbart-ish talking point that completely neglects the facts.

    Here is a good article on EOs: http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/fixg...ate-of-the-union-obama-executive-orders-hudak

    What are some other significant EOs throughout history?
    - Equal Employment Opportunity: LBJ Executive Order 11246
    - Affirmative Action: Kennedy Executive Order 10925
    - Desegregation of Schools: Dwight D. Eisenhower'S EO 10730
    - The Emancipation Proclamation: Lincoln
    - Desegregation of Armed Forces: Truman EO 9981
    - Japanese - American internment: FDR EO 9066

    The DREAMers act was significant. Was it more significant than any number of EOs before it? Are EOs more significant than signing statements (Bush Jr. set the record for these), rulemaking (regulatory) authority or other powers of the President? All of those are ways the POTUS uses their power. In the end, Congress can easily overwrite that power through legislation. Yes, Congress has the power to revers the DREAMer act.

    What I take issue with is the fictitious narrative that Obama is any more abusive of his powers than any other POTUS.
     
  24. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    Even Trump's Mexican food has walls!
     
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  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    One more, Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday, not "Hispanic".


    HRC's response:
     
  26. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    of course what #Shillary misses is that those two notions are not at all incompatible. If someone is in the country illegally, they DESERVE to get the boot. Wanting consequence to attach to an action does not mean one cannot like a particular demographic...
     
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  27. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Yeah, especially we already know that besides the rapist and murderers he's warned us about, Trump is willing to assume some of them are good people.
     
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  28. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    She's hot. She's smart. She's un-PC. What's your problem?
     
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  29. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Ann Coulter once said, regarding the long-term prospects for Air America, "This is not an ideology that can withstand 3 hours on the air, where any trucker with a cell phone can call in and shoot down their cockamamy ideas." Air America lasted, what, 5-6 years, before it folded? I've liked her ever since.
     
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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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