New Big 12 Expansion Rumor

Status quo untenable because groupthink says you "need" a conference championship game.

 

Get off this sinking ship called the Big 12. Those of us who lived through the SWC death march (that happened LONG before Arkansas left), have seen this once before. Stop trying to make chicken salad out of chicken ****. When half the league is playing in 50,000 seat stadiums and can't fill them up, it's time to bring out the morphine drip.

God I miss Deloss.

 

Don't shoot me for this but I agree with Briles on this one

 

"If we do nothing, we'll be substantially behind a decade from now."

I would say that is the most intelligent thing I've ever heard this cretin say if it wasn't for the fact that he thinks it will take a decade for the Big XII to "be substantially behind".

Yelladawg, I agree about missing Deloss. His only fault was some of the people he let occupy key positions, and Bowlsby is one of those. Delaney & Slive command great respect; Bowlsby can't get a return phone call.

 

So basically the reason for the entire push for expansion is that TCU/Baylor don't have the big name that OU/Texas have (as neither OU nor Texas would have been dropped out in that same situation). And the solution is to get two other teams that also don't have big enough names?

 

Here we go again...

The program options to potentially add to the Big XII are ALL weak and limited. Bowelsby can get his championship game & additional $$$ that go with it by adding two weak sisters to the flock but IMO the conference will still be behind "a decade from now".

 

That statement is the key. IF we want to join another conference and that is the issue, LHN goes away. So, stay tuned. this could get interesting!

 

Dumb idea to just add for depth. Unless two big university are holding its cards keeping quite about joining then it's pointless we will fold eventually. I think we are pretty close to just having 4 major conferences with winners of each headed to playoffs

 

At this point, if the big 12 is going to act dumb, we should just go independent. As long as Notre Dame gets a seat at table, so should we if we do not want to be in a conference.

The only possible schools to add are BYU and Notre Dame. Everyone else weakens the conference.

Our best option is to stand pat with 10. The PAC12, Big 10 and ACC are too far away and would get too unwieldy. The SEC is a bad fit. TV tomorrow will not be TV today. We are better off with our own network when everything goes to online streaming in the next 20 years. There seems to be a lot of investment in conference networks that may all die soon with cable.

The Big 12 and fans need to all chill. The media, of course, is acting like the Big 12's demise is imminent because they want more realignment which gives them something to write about.

Our conference seems to be committed to reacting to a crisis that does not exist. At least 1 major conference will get left out of the playoff every year. Win all your games and it will not be you. Again, everyone needs to simmer down.

 

If expansion passes all current conference commitments should be waived. If whatever is proposed does not fit with Texas' goals - hello PAC12.

And no that will not be the end of the LHN as the PAC12 Networks are nothing more than 6 regional networks now. If Tech also bails, that will be fine as they already have a Fox "network". Dumping the LHN isn't an option unless someone comes up with more money than the LHN can provide over the long term.

 

77,

Are you sure you don't want to rethink your position? Maybe we should follow Swofford's example and expand by adding a bunch of geographically undesirable schools, each of whom has no tradition, no following, no tv appeal, and no ticket sales. We could expand to 20 schools, three of which can actually fill a football stadium, three basketball schools that can make the round of 32, two baseball schools to host a regional, and maybe, just maybe, a few quality nonrevenue sports teams.

Bowlsby could hire Ned and Bubba to livestream games on their old Blackberry Bold phones. That would certainly help us keep up with Slive and Delaney.

NeinASS choked on some Catholic sausage and blew the Clemson/FSU deal. Unless the Big XII raids another conference, there is no one that brings one damn thing worth having. As long as the mental midgetry continues in Las Colinas, what decent program would want to join a conference with no leadership and no clout?

 

77,
Is right on with Cable on the way out, conference networks will be a thing of the past in 10 years....schools will be broadcasting everything on their own networks in the very near future. The success of the LHN broadcasting non-football sports is starting to get notice....Womens BB and VB to name a couple of sports that are reaping huge benefits. The softball team and if the baseball team could just field the ball........

The other thing that 77 started to get at......he didn't quite get there.....Texas can be in any conference we want......WE just have to win, conference does not matter to us.....whether it is the Big XII, SEC, Pac-12, Big10 does not matter. IF Texas wins all of it's games it will be in the playoffs, if we lose one game, we will have a better chance than most to get in the playoff. The smaller the conference, the more money we can make, we are the breadwinner. Go to a 12 team conference and watch how every team wants to play Texas every year......

 

Major is correct. I also think the current Big 12 is the easiest path for Texas to an undefeated season. As long as we continue to have quality non-conference games, we'll be fine. Our path is just beat the quality non-conference opponents and beat OU & West Virginia (only other historically top 30 programs). We have the setup we want. We should not allow it to be screwed up.

Our focus should be on what do need to do to help Charlie win. If Charlie falters, who is the coach we need and how do we help him win. Instead we are caught up in Big 12 drama.

 

Texas really should get back to winning before any of this expansion or realignment talk starts.

Of course other schools want to get rid of the LHN, mainly because they don't have it, so they want a conference network. Some schools are trying to establish their own network.

Right the ship in Austin first and all this other stuff will take care of itself. Right now I think hiring the right person as the new AD, should be what is focused on.

Texas needs a strong voice that will do what is right for them and not worry about the conference. Become Texas again and deal from a position of strength, things always seem to work out with this approach, despite the whining from others.

 

Winning and becoming dominant again will put an end to a lot of this while also opening up new opportunities. We'll see.

 

Expansion story and Texas influence.

Is Texas impacting other Big 12 schools' possible expansion votes? | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo Sports

 

Amen bro

 

Perrin's quote at the end is perfect.

Even if there are 9 votes for and Texas' vote against, I suspect nothing would happen. What would the Big XII be without Texas? ou and the 8 (or 11 smurf's). How many phone calls would Perrin have to make to find a better conference home for Texas within 24 hours of Texas pulling out? 1, 2? I smell ou trying exert influence in all of this.

An unbeaten ou or Texas will always be in the playoff; an once beaten ou or Texas will be in the playoff as long as there are only 2 unbeaten teams.

 

Regarding the conference network, why don't the other schools simply start a Big 11 (or 9) Network and everyone is happy? What's stopping them?

 

I have always been a Pac-16, four pods of 4 teams guy:

Central Pod: Texas, OU, OSU & TBD
Mountain Pod: AZ, ASU, CO, UT
California Pod: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal
Northwest Pod: Oregon, Or State, UW, WSU

Play each team in your pod every year, home and home, two teams in each of the other two pods two consecutive years, home and home, and select three non-conference games every year. I love that schedule although it would not be a cakewalk by any means.

That would be a very strong and a compelling conference athletically, academically and logistically. The long trips would be to the PacNW but, what's wrong with going to Washington or Oregon every so often? It beats going the Morgantown, Aimes, Kansas... And who doesn't want to go to the Bay Area or SoCal? Phoenix, Tucson, SLC and Boulder aren't bad either.

The Pac-16. That's the ticket, and it always has been.

 

I am completely with you on the PAC-16, except the instead of the Quads, I would go with an East-West, like the North-South of the original Big 12. And I think it is a lock that the TBD would be Tech.

As for the long road trips, we have never had a problem traveling to Palo Alto or Los Angeles. And having been to Ames, Lawerence, Manhatten and Morgantown, going to Berkeley, Palo Alto, Boulder, LA, seems pretty sweet. As I recall, Cal brought a nice crowd to Austin last year for a game that was of no great importance.

GO WEST!

 

Some of us might not be alive but at some point there will end up being 4 16 team leagues. The CCG's will then end up being the quarterfinals with the winning 4 teams in the semifinals.
No committee as everything is settled on the field. ND will get in a conference or drop down to FCS (or give up football).

 

I agree with the 4 16 team leagues part but I think that the tournament will expand to at least 8 teams so that Notre Dame, deserving 2nd place team(s) in strong conference(s) and maybe even a couple of undefeated mid majors can get a shot at the title. Something like the other major sports, basketball and baseball. I take it you are considering the league championship games as a 8 team playoff.

 

Dukesteer:

While your Quad pods are easy and clean you miss out on ASU, UoA, Colo, and Utah playing in California. That is where most of their recruits come from and playing in that state is of utmost importance to those schools, the Quad pods are not realistic. Plus, what would that give Texas....absolutely nothing. OU has to be up to the fact that they might lose OSU as they add nothing to Texas. I would rather be in the Big 12 with two nobody schools than be in the Pac-16......at least we play in front of our fans and in Texas more times a year and travel for fans and students, especially in non-revenue sports is more affordable. Pac-16 Quads makes no sense......

 

Spur90:

They can't the bell cow is Texas, without Texas they have nothing but more local and regional channel than even FSSW. Who from Waco wants to watch Kansas and Kansas State play baseball?

 

In my opinion Tom Herman will either be the coach at AM or Texas next year........while I hope Charlie turns it around, I hope it is a sharp turn this year and not gradual.....

 

With the East-West format there is the travel into California and Texas for CU, Utah, and the NW schools. Repetitive and stretched out for max exposure that they can get no where else. In our situation, in every 8 year span we play home/home with USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington State, Oregon State and Washington. Two of those games would be in Austin every year. I think that makes a pretty attractive schedule. Bring in one Power 5 OCC team and you likely have a top 10-15 schedule. I still want to play Rice because I want a presence in Harris County.

Sign the damn DNR on the Big 12 and fix this. As noted previously Perrin and Castiglione can probably each make one phone call and get new homes, with the understanding that lil brother (OSU and Tech) are part of the deal. Hell at this point I'm Ok with the B1G. Kind of like to have a front row seat watching Nebraska becomes Northwestern's *****. (female dog).

 

Yelladawg,

That would have a chance at appealing to the non-Cali schools as they get to play in Texas and Cali.....still not sold on OSU and TT. I probably will just have to grin and bear that one.......

The only thing is Texas playing at Baylor, TCU, Tech, OSU, Rice, UH gives more of our fans more chances to watch us play, spend money in not only football but all the other sports.....still a compelling reason to stay with the Big12 and add two lesser teams.