Clinton's VEEP choice

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by NJlonghorn, Jul 21, 2016.

  1. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    The usual suspects are still dominating the chatter, but I've heard suggestions lately about Tom Vilsack. I know little about him, but what I know I like. On the Issues rates him as a true centrist, at 60% liberal and 40% conservative on both social and fiscal issues. I haven't looked at the breakdown yet, but I see that as promising.
     
  2. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    It will be interesting if Clinton treats Sanders and other left supporters as scum, sort of like what Cruz did to Trump.
     
  3. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Hillary and the Ballsac. Given Slick Willie's proclivities it has a rather ironic ring to it.
     
  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It's not good to have the word "sack" in your name, but Vilsack would probably be a respectable VP and a smart pick.
     
  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  6. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Hopefully someone who speaks Spanish. That is what we really need in a VP.
     
  7. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    It's Tim Kaine -- who does speak Spanish.
     
  8. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Well duh.
     
  9. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    She picked Kaine. To paraphrase Hitlery herself about the Benghazi murders, "What difference at this point does it make?"
     
  10. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    No, a tranvestite would be better. It would be the granny and tranny ticket.
     
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  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm surprised Joe Fan didn't catch this.

     
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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    Was this another case of white privilege?
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    View of Kaine from a black activist





    View of Kaine from a _______

     
  14. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I think Kaine almost assures a Trump victory. Bernie voters will be turned off by the wiki leaks and black voter turnout will be low with this team of establishment white democrats. Mix in more police/terrorist attacks and independents lean heavy to Trump.
     
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  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I agree that this pick doesn't make a lot of sense. Kaine isn't going to excite the Democratic base, but he also isn't going to attract the Trump demographic (white dudes who didn't graduate from college). He's not going to turn them off, but he won't attract them. She should have gone with a younger liberal who's an ethnic minority to motivate the base, or she should have gone with a labor-friendly Rust Belt liberal like Sherrod Brown to try to undercut Trump.

    One other point, Michael Moore will vote for Trump. I'll never be able to prove that, because he'll never admit it and will endorse Hillary out of political necessity, but if you look at Trump's agenda, it's actually pretty consistent with Moore's priorities.
     
  16. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    My new, more detailed wish list:
    • Hillary gets indicted (or pardoned), or something else happens that makes her step down.
    • Kaine moves up to the top of the ticket, and names a progressive (Warren? Booker?) as his VEEP choice.
    • Kaine spends most of his energy bashing not only Trump but also the DNC, screaming about the need for change.
    • Kaine wins in a landslide.
     
  17. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    After the convention, is there a mechanism to do this?
     
  18. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, there is a mechanism to deal with this situation. No, I didn't describe it accurately.

    Each party has a mechanism to replace a candidate who withdraws. According to this article on TeachingHistory.org:

    Each state has laws regulating the printing of ballots. If the change is made before the state's deadline, then the transition is easy. If it is made later, you could have a clusterfuck.

    A similar issue came up when incumbent senator Robert Toricelli (D - NJ) withdrew his re-election bid in the fall of 2002. The state Democratic party named Frank Lautenberg (who had recently retired as NJ's other senator) to replace Torricelli on the ballot. The ballot-printing deadline had passed, but the New Jersey Supreme Court held that the deadline was arbitrary and thus unconstitutional. There was enough time to make the switch, so the switch was made.

    So, imagine if Clinton withdraws and the DNC names someone else as the Democratic nominee. The ballot is changed in some states but not others. The DNC sues those states and the case goes to SCOTUS, which deadlocks 4-4....
     
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  19. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Wait, your not a democrat? Stop pretending.
     

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