Crazy, Dishonorable Donald Trump Doubles Down on his Crazy

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  1. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...trump-lee-harvey-oswald-rafael-cruz/87475714/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...minee-trump-focuses-fire-on-cruz-not-clinton/

    "In first day as nominee, Trump revives unsubstantiated accusation against Cruz’s father.

    Donald Trump on Friday revived an unsubstantiated accusation that Sen. Ted Cruz’s father met with the man who killed president John F. Kennedy, swiftly casting aside the uncharacteristically restrained persona on display when he accepted the GOP presidential nomination one night before.

    The celebrity mogul set about — unprompted — to refute charges put forward by Cruz earlier in the week that he had attacked the senator’s wife and father, Heidi and Rafael, during the GOP primary. Regarding the accusations against Rafael Cruz, Trump said that he had merely referred to a story in the National Enquirer, whose credibility he commended.

    "All I did was point out the fact that on the cover of the National Enquirer were was a picture of him and crazy Lee Harvey Oswald having breakfast,” Trump said, referring to the man who shot Kennedy.

    On Friday, he instead blasted the media for writing about his comments at all: “The press takes that, and they say, ‘Donald Trump and his conspiracy theories; he went out and said his father was with Lee Harvey Oswald, and he assassinated the president.’ What did I do? ... There was a picture, and that's the only thing I know."

    Despite Trump’s claims to the contrary on Friday, Cruz and his campaign did in fact deny that the photo was of his father. Cruz’s communications director, Alice Stewart, told the Miami Herald, “The story is false; that is not Rafael in the picture.” The allegation that Rafael Cruz was in the picture with Oswald has been widely debunked by fact checkers.

    “I know nothing about his father, I know nothing about Lee Harvey Oswald. But there was a picture on the front page of the National Enquirer, which does have credibility,” Trump said.

    Donald Trump thinks that the National Enquirer is credible, reasserted the unsubstantiated, looney claim that Cruz's father was in the photo with Lee Harvey Oswald, and was the man at the head of the "Obama does not have a birth certificate" crazy conspiracy train. A man that believes in crazy conspiracy theories or thinks the national enquirer is credible has no business being president.

    50 years ago, another Johnson made an advertisement appropriate for this election.



    Do not vote for corrupt, dishonest Hillary Clinton or crazy, dishonorable Donald Trump. Vote Gary Johnson instead. The stakes are too high to give a crazy man atomic weapons.
     
  2. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    He did not reassert anything. I saw the interview. Trump was discussing Cruz's own reasons why he did not endorse him. He said it was 2 things: Trump forwarded an unflattering tweet about his wife after the Cruz campaign sent mailers of his wife to Utah residents, and he referenced the Enquirer story (he went through his thought process at the time, not reasserting anything new).
    Yes, I agree his logic depends on the Enquirer having some credibility but he did mention the Edwards story that the Enquirer broke.

    You are twisting the story like a true Trump hater.
     
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  3. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    You need to accept the fact that Trump will say a few crazy things every now and then. Trump also said that Bernie was getting screwed. I guess he was right on that one. Also, what do you think of our current president who accuses law enforcement of racism before knowing the facts?

    By the way, that USA Today article is a total distortion of what happened.
     
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  4. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I accept it. That is why I am not voting for him. My conscience > partisan politics.
     
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  5. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Can we stop the nonsense? Your conscience is not okay with a few things Donald has said, but you'll allow your conscience help get the most corrupt person any of us has ever known to become President?

    The thought process toward Donald has gone full retard.
     
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  6. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Let me state what happened in another way: Trump was reveling yesterday that he was able to get under Cruz's skin with a simple retweet and a reference to a grocery aisle magazine. Cruz should have just laughed it off and tell the reporters to go hound the Enquirer. Those simple but outrageous charges really attacked his narcissism.
     
  7. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Htown77, I agree with you 100%.

    You do know that Trump doesn't believe any of it right? He finds stories and uses them as weapons to hound his opponents. That's not statesman-like of course. But statesmen can't manipulate the news cycle like he can. As he said with the Speechgate thing...any publicity is good publicity. That's why he won the nomination and why he may win the election.

    The guy is not dumb. It's all strategic and he's playing a game no one else has seen.

    Is this good for our country? I don't know. It is a departure from what we've had. The non-media circus stuff (employees and family) seem to indicate there's something of character behind him. But I definitely know what's bad for our country.
     
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  8. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Either Trump is crazy or he is spreading lies and rumors like texas_ex2000 says. If he is just a huge liar, I fail to see how he is any better than Hillary. His conduct seems to indicate he is quite dishonest and corrupt in moral character if he is not actually crazy. I can say he is vengeful and cannot let things go, which is not a quality you want in a leader. We have two dishonest social liberals. Some people like the guy who says crazy things over the corrupt woman.

    People do not want Hillary because they fear what her presidency will do to conservatives. Well donald trump just did Hillary's work for her by entering the republican primary and burying the most prominent social conservative, not on the issues, but with crazy lies and slander. Donald Trump supported Hillary for years. You can justify your vote for him however you like, but a corrupt liberal that will be bad for this country will be in the white house regardless of who gets elected. I, for one, will be proud to say I did not vote for either of them.
     
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  9. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Would you care about these "conspiracy theories" if he were a real social conservative? I bet you would overlook it.

    I would probably describe myself as a social conservative, but borderline. The two big issues for me are 2nd Amendment and abortion. I believe whole heartedly in and the defense of religious freedom and as trivial as it is, believe men should be in men's showers and women in women's showers.

    Outside of that, I believe we as communities and neighbors can agree to disagree and have good respectful debates and fights during the elections (you win some and lose some), and then move on and focus on common ground socially to bring us together. I think Cruz, who I'm with 100% in spirit, takes a scorched Earth approach at that point.

    It's like PR wars during recruiting in the SEC. Trump is playing games so that his opponents have to answer stupid questions about the JFK assassination instead of staying on message. 60 Minutes tried coming up with stories on Bush, except they took the it seriously.
     
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  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    @Htown77 , you're pissing in the wind. If one believes (as I35, mchammer, and texas_ex2000 do) that no scenario can possibly be worse than HRC winning the election, then that person is going to vote for Trump. And frankly, that's logical. Trump is "less-than-perfect" (to them), and Hillary is the apocalypse. If you think that's the choice then, you accept "less-than-perfect" to avoid the apocalypse.

    They don't see the long term damage to the conservative movement and the disastrous foreign policy that Trump will almost surely follow if he wins. The argument and the rationale have been explained to them, but they just talk past it. "It can't get any worse than Hillary." Rinse. Repeat.
     
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  11. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    No, because there are plenty of social conservatives with idiotic conspiracy theories I do not support, especially at the local Texas level. My ballot (federal, state and local) usually comes out 30% GOP, 30% Dem, 40% Libertarian. I cannot even stand to hear Hillary speak. Her voice grinds on me. My standards for anyone running against her were low. However, amazingly, the GOP nominated Hillary 2.0 except crazy.

    I have lost all tolerance for selfish idiocy and conspiracy theories in american government. I see it in local government too often among some Texan "social conservatives." I cannot support it for president.

    Deez, you are right. Some see Hillary as the end. I see two Hillarys (neither will be the end), but one is crazy and will have disastrous foreign policy. Both will be disasters. I cannot say that I have ESP or the ability to foresee which one will be less disastrous. At this point, I just hope Charlie turns it around and we win 10 games so I can have a good distraction from this presidential election mess.
     
  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    At least Trump won't start wars ala Clinton.
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    What are we calling what he says he's going to do to ISIS? Admittedly, he might change his mind tomorrow and start talking about how great ISIS is, but let's assume he stays consistent on this for at least a few months.
     
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  14. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Deez, do you really think conservatism at the level you'd like will ever come back? We have been moved so far left that the younger generation thinks it's normal. Heck, JFK would be a republican in this day and time. Then that time line will be extended even further if Hillary is President. I'm a huge Reagan Republican and that's what I'd love to see us get back to. But it's not going to happen. Our current conservatives in congress now allowed this to happen by letting Obama have his way at every turn. I'm with you on where i'd like for us to be, but we can't undo what has happened. I was a Kasich, then Rubio, then Cruz guy. But it is what it is. Not supporting Trump and allowing Hillary to become President will make it even worse. I just don't understand your logic. We can't take our ball and go home. It's either going to be Trump or Hillary.
     
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  15. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    We are already at war with ISIS. Trumps wants one declared.
     
  16. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Too late. The conservative movement was killed by McConnell, Boehner, McCain et al. Cruz tried, but was ostracized and labeled negatively by his own "conservative" party. No matter what, I will always be grateful for Trump busting up that elite social club.
     
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  17. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Over the next 4 years, I don't see Trump hurting the conservative movement. He either galvanizes conservatives like us who will learn from this and vote for a level headed candidate, or it helps bring in moderates, not necessarily to become social conservatives, but feel like we can work together and respect eachother. E.g. the respect of state and community regulations on guns/education/abortion/gay /religious rights versus control from DC.

    Everyone in this country are sick of these two. They're sick of Trump. Maybe I'm wrong and he somehow becomes more popular, but the only reason why we're even talking about a Trump Presidency is because of Clinton. If he really is what you and Htown fear, very possible, the GOP will nominate someone else in 2020 - probably a real conservative.

    Also to add on to what I35 said...Trump or not, we're not going to have the type of conservatism we want. That's unfortunate, but it's also unfortunately unstoppable. Deez, I know you hated Cruz. Cruz is THE Social Conservative. He won Iowa. But you supported Kasich...that guy had no chance. How the heck are conservatives supposed to stop Obama liberalism if we can't even get this right?

    If you want real conservatism...let's talk about Texit. It's still not too late to save that.
     
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    +1
     
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    If you think we're at war with ISIS, then you don't know what a war looks like.
     
  20. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    @I35 , you've asked a good question, but it takes some time to answer it. Mrs. Deez is off with for the next several days, and she's busting my *** with house projects that I can't do when she's working. Accordingly, I won't be able to answer you until Friday.
     
  21. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Ah yes. The "Rules for Radicals" state that when you have no argument, always refer to your opponent as some sort of bigot. If you are a Trump hater, your argument doesn't matter because you just hate Donald Trump. Never mind any actual evidence in your opponent's argument.

    This is just more evidence that Trump is a leftist at heart. He and his minions have fully adopted the tactics of the left. But what do I know? I'm a Trump hater too.
     
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  22. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Well said. Let me add that Trump has repeatedly stated that he will not touch Social Security or Medicare, which are both going broke. In fact, Trump has failed to identify one dollar to cut in the entire budget, except for the democrat standard cut of waste and abuse. This tells me that Trump will take up where "W" and the spendthrift Republican congress left off in 2006. In orther words, Trump's fiscal policy will likely be a disaster too.

    But don't trust me. I'm a Trump hater.
     
  23. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    One could similarly be grateful to Fidel Castro for ridding Cuba of Batista. But I think Trump is slightly to the right of Castro. I think.
     
  24. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    http://abuse.wikia.com/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)
     
  25. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Conservatism has died before, in 1964 in the LBJ landslide. The establishment wasn't about to support Barry Goldwater - a staunch conservative for the time. So they stayed home and the country got LBJ and huge democrat majorities in both houses. So next, the GOP went to a non-conservative, Richard Nixon, to save the day. Nixon, like Trump, worked only for his own election. Then Nixon's corruption almost destroyed the party. But out of the ashes of the GOP, Ronald Reagan stepped forward to restore the party as a viable and conservative party.

    It's interesting that Trump is now using Nixon's "Law and Order" theme at the center of his campaign. Like Nixon, Trump is not running on principle, but on opposition to the craziness on the other side. I'm not saying that Trump will be corrupt like Nixon. But without principles, he could enact leftist policies like Nixon's wage and price controls.
     
  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    The USA Today twisted the story. Sorry if that fact upsets you. Check out the other articles written about the subject in the Houston Chonicle and WSJ. They were mostly true to what I saw. The Trump haters are not capable of an even assessment of Trump's campaign. That's a fact too as evidenced by some of the posts here.
     
  27. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  28. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    There is a common theme with Trump that he even admits...counter punching with no mercy. You attack him and he scorches earth in retaliation.

    The vast majority of his harsh attacks came in retaliation. Though a few were instigated or overreactions by Trump like Carson and Fiorina.

    The counter attacks all started with Jeb slamming the legitimacy of his candidacy. Trump then made it a mission to emasculate him into submission.

    He was campaigning civil with Cruz until his Super PAC floated those racy pics of Melania. After that he went ballistic attacking Cruz's wife and father.

    Tough sh*t, attack the wife insinuating she's a floozy and pay the consequences.

    Same with Bill Clinton. Trump didn't lay into him until he went on a few speaking engagements with wifey and they both bashed his treatment of women.

    Right after Trump unleashed harsh attacks on Bill as he made himself fair game.

    Same with Pocahontas Warren. She drew first blood. Same with Rosie O'Donell. Same with Megan Kelly. All took a shot at him before he went off.

    Now think of the people he didn't attack...Christie, Walker, Huckabee, Paul, and a few other competitors. None took a hard shot at him so he let them be.

    He let my man Rubio get away with quite a bit before creating "Little Marco".

    I have no prob supporting a guy with the creed "you start it and I'll finish it". As a candidate he's doing it reality TV style for attention and coverage. How else would he get the Lib owned media to provide equal or better coverage without going over the top?

    Those who know him in business understand he uses that same creed when operating as a serious businessman.

    Apply that mentality to the leader of our country and I see someone who will fight for America's best interest against our adversaries and win.

    Unlike the capitulator we have in charge now or the other corrupt, compulsive liar trying to steal the job rigging her nomination and manipulating the media.
     
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  29. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    ^ but Trumps attacks on Cruz were straight up lies. (Cruz had affairs with interns and his dad was in a photo with Lee Harvey Oswald). Yet, you do not seem to consider Trump to be a liar.

    I guess Trumps lies are justified? Funny, Hillary supporters have the same attitude about her lies.
     
  30. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    "Lyin' Ted" was first uttered by Trump immediately after Cruz won Iowa. Trump said that Cruz only won Iowa because he lied about Carson dropping out of the race. Trump never stopped personally attacking Cruz with his own lies - filtered through the appropriately named David Pecker at National Enquirer.

    Trumpkins seem to forget facts whenever they don't like them.
     
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