What if it was not the Russians?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Horn6721, Dec 13, 2016.

  1. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Since everyone on this site loves polls, take a gander at this.

    The 40% of Republicans and 14% of Democrats are some unpatriotic mofos. This "I don't care as long as my side wins" agenda is sickening.
     
  2. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    No! Unbelievable.
     
  3. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    I'm good with it also, but that feeling is not unpatriotic.
     
  4. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I am not pro Trump, but I really do not see people posting things on facebook for any side as a big deal. Welcome to the internet. Plenty of Americans generate fake BS on their own. If the American government wants to post things on facebook directed at another country, I do not see why not. I question whether it really has an impact on anything.

    Today it just sounds like we are going “the russians are posting things on facebook we dont like and now we are offended.” We are really coming off as snowflakes to the rest of the world.
     
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  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Misinformation campaigns have always been in existence. It doesn't mean we shouldn't limit their effectiveness as a community. I think this Russia story simply highlighted our collective naivete towards social media use. Hopefully we're all a little bit smarter. Facebook/Twitter are a day late and a dollar short in trying manage their platforms.
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Opening statements in Paul Manafort's case today. Manafort's lawyers point the finger at Gates and the Oligarchs. Apparently they required him to use 30 secret bank accounts and it Gates embezzled $$$$. Manafort simply trusted Gates to "do what's right". There was no intention to mislead the IRS but rather the Ukranian Oligarchs forced him to do business that way.
     
  7. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I actually do agree with all of this. I am perfectly okay with facebook and twitter cutting the BS. I just do not agree with Lindsay Graham and others getting so worked up about it. We blasted radio free europe for years and I know we have like a free cuban radio and they do not/did not affect anything. The people that fall/fell for the russian stuff already thought that way beforehand.
     
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  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    What does it mean to "manage their platforms?" I think that defining that is more important than the misinformation anybody would put out.
     
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  9. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I don't necessarily agree that Radio Free Europe didn't affect anything.
     
  10. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

  11. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Well, I guess we set up the poor Hungarians to rebel, then did not help.
     
  12. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Governance. Authentication of accounts and controls in the paid ads platforms were both afterthoughts as the markets were measuring them solely by account growth and profitability. In fact, that model of rewarding them actually made it less likely they'd care about real vs. bot accounts or care who was giving them $$$. Only now are these companies realize the reckless error of their ways albeit they still haven't been punished greatly, IMHO.
     
  13. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

    Don't forget "people familiar with the situation."

    And of course, these were people who would have voted for Hillary if not for the fake ads, which would make this the absolute cheapest political campaign in the history of the universe. If only the U.S. candidates had thought to put out messaging on social media... maybe they'll try that next time since it was so effective.
     
  14. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I don't think there'd be a lot of opposition to these companies doing what you suggest. The problem is that I don't think there is universal agreement on what they should be doing. Plenty want social media platforms to restrict content or engage in "fact" checking.
     
  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Understood. There are no standards leaving these companies to come up with their own, usually in response to PR/User feedback.
     
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  16. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do have one nuance to add to this. If, for example, in Russia posting their BS, a crazy person mass shooter pops off and after looking into it, the shooter appears to have been incited by Russia or any other country’s facebook BS.... THAT might merit retaliation.

    I do not think the real threat is any of this affecting elections. I think the real threat of divisive posts from foreign sources is potentially inciting a crazy person to mass shoot. Note the people who actually read the Russian BS are the fringes on all sides where the crazos tend to reside. That is a cause for concern.
     
  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts


    Russia is certainly trying to nibble at the extremes to fan the flames of divisiveness. This most recent example was their attempt to organize a counter-protest to a White Nationalist march in D.C. They of course reached out to antifa like organizations. One might surmise they are hoping to provoke violent encounters between extremist organizations. That allows left/right to pick their side and say "see what the other side did?"
     
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  18. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Agreed.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Just looked back at the post that started this thread. It was a propaganda piece. We now know that Craig Murray is close personal friends with Assange and the most of this article is completely false.

    Given that Zerohedge is linked here generally to reinforce Russia's (read: Musburger) and the extreme right's (read: Joe Fan) narrative, what are the chances that it's a Russian propaganda site?

    Looking back it's remarkable how aligned Russia's narrative was to the one pushed by Trumpsters.
     
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    SH,

    Fair warning, if Mueller loses this case, you will never hear the end of this as long as Mueller or Russian collusion is in the news:

    https://www.bloombergquint.com/poli...t-were-those-his-offshore-accounts#gs.P5W5i=A
     
  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Why? Is Manafort the beginning and end of Russian interference?

    Bank fraud is a very difficult case to prosecute because most jurors cant begin to understand the legal nuances.

    Manafort is dirty as a $3 bill but he's a sideshow to what thrust of the Mueller investigation. Unless Mueller's team suddenly changes the charges this is purely about justice and less about interference. That last point hasn't been raised yet to my knowledge.
     
  22. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    It goes to the heart of his decision making, which is close to ruinous already.
     
  23. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

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  24. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Maybe, but this judge appears to be on to Mueller and his abusive tactics.
     
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  25. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  26. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

  27. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Every lawyer read this thread. Judge makes special counsel cry in court. Special counsel is arguing with the judge. Gov witness is weasel. Mueller trial is a ******* disaster.

     
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  28. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I will provide my opinion on Mueller if not known: he is dumber than a box of nails who only knows how to abuse gov power. Doing the latter is evidence of the former. Smart people can achieve their goals without abusing power.
     
  29. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts




    Disaster. I’m forecasting guilty on a few minimal charges and 3-6 months in jail, which mostly has been served already.
     
  30. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Or maybe not. The star witness is a disaster.

     
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