2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by ProdigalHorn, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I watched Kasich pander to Chris Cuomo tonight on CNN. If any West Mall “centrists” come out for him in 2020, I will call you out.
     
  2. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Why on God's green earth would you give CNN your eyeballs and Neilsen rating?
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I hope Tulsi G and Yang make their televised debates

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  4. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Damn, is Andrew Friggin' Yang (who actually seems like a pretty decent guy, even if he's a little nutty) really ahead of media darlings Kirsten Gillibrand and Cory Booker? That is amazing if true.
     
  5. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Did they really poll 356 people and are extrapolating from that minuscule number?
     
  6. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    There are some people for whom even positive media coverage is negative, because every time you hear those people speak it's a reminder of how off-putting they are.

    I think in general, "Me Too" politicians don't come across well, and I've always felt like those two fit that bill pretty well. They give off an aura of almost desperation to be leaders, and it shows in the way they try and pander to people.
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That is especially true of Booker. His "Spartacus Moment" epitomized it. He thought he would look like a guy making a courageous stand. Instead, he looked like a self-promoting clown even to people who agreed with him about Kavanaugh. The inauthentic sanctimony is very strong with him.
     
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  8. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Pete Buttigieg and Tulsi Gabbard are the only 2 Democratic candidates that say some things I could get behind. For Mayor Pete it is mainly the things he has done in Indiana around community service. For Tulsi, she stands against the deep state consistently.
     
  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    She is too honest to poll well with Dem voters
    They prefer liars
     
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  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    What I see is white liberal media types slobbering over the likes of Beto and Buttgag while they ignore Castro.
    Is there any way to explain this other than the obvious?
     
  11. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    " inauthentic sanctimony":bow:
     
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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Would it surpise anyone to learn that "self avowed Socialist" Bernie Sanders donated less than 1% of his income to charity?

    He's a fraud. They are all frauds

    Sanders released 10 years of tax returns Monday, revealing that he earned an average of $280,975 per year from 2009 through 2015, and that his income skyrocketed to $1,062,626 in 2016 .....
    Sanders reported $10,600 in charitable contributions in 2016, making up slightly less than one percent of his reported income and falling under the $21,365 average charitable contribution for Americans who earned $250,000 or more that year, according to the latest available IRS data.

    Bernie Sanders Donated Less Than One Percent To Charity First Year He Made Over $1 Million - The Daily Caller
     
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  13. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    But he seems to be perfectly willing to take our money to support his favorite causes!
     
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  14. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    I found it more ironic that during the Town Hall, Bernie made the point about capitalism.
    When asked about how he was a millionaire now, he bragged about his best selling book, and told the audience, "if you want to be a millionaire, you can write a best selling book, too".
    Doesn't sound like socialism to me. They are all hypocrites.
     
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  15. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Plenty of people get rich under socialism. The politically well-connected do fabulously well. It's ordinary citizens who get hosed.
     
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  16. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Beta was even stingier.
    "The filings show the couple had given $1,166 to charity in 2017 despite having a combined income of $370,412, which calculates to roughly one-third of 1 percent of their income. According to The Washington Post’s James Hohmann, that places O’Rourke last among the 2020 candidates competing in the Democratic primaries."

    Beta's response?
    He does his best to give back to communities, but noted that some of the ways he gives back are “immeasurable.”

    “I’ve served in public office since 2005. I do my best to contribute to the success of my community, of my state, and now, of my country. There are ways that I do this that are measurable and there are ways that I do this that are immeasurable. There are charities that we donate to that we’ve recorded and itemized, others that we have donated to that we have not.
    He went on to suggest that his attendance at that town hall, being away from his family, was itself a charitable act.

    “I’m doing everything that I can right now, spending this time with you -- not with our kiddos, not back home in El Paso -- because I want to sacrifice everything to make sure that we meet this moment of truth with everything that we’ve got,” O’Rourke told the student.

    Turn out the lights, the party is over for Beta.
     
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  17. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    I get the feeling Robert never wants to spend time with his children. He complained about it during the Senate campaign debate. But the first thing he did after losing to Cruz was going on a months long fandango. Sounds like a horrible husband and father to me.
     
  18. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Well apparently he cannot face his children and explain to them the electoral college.
     
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  19. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Prediction: Trump's degrading nickname for Buttigieg if he gets the Democratic nomination and takes on Trump = "Butt gig the butt pirate".

    Trump will take it to a whole nother level if that's his opponent. His fan base will relish it.
     
  20. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Butt guy not close to winning nomination
     
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  21. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I don't think he'll do that. Trump has been careful on the LGBT front. He isn't a fan of the "T" portion for pretty obvious reasons to most sensible people (including our favorite lesbian). However, he hasn't been particularly hostile to the gay community. He doesn't virtue signal to them a lot like Democrats do, but he has left them alone. He'll come up with a nickname, but I don't think it'll involve Pete Buttigeig's orientation.
     
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  22. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    That may be so, but(t)... If butt man turns out to be Trump's opponent, Trump will pull out all the stops--or should I say pull out all the butt plugs. He will stop at nothing to be re-elected.
     
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  23. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Tucker Carlson and others pronounce Beto's campaign dead of fatal dose of Buttigieg. They also mention that Beto doesn't actually seem to stand for anything. He just parrots the Left's current catch phrase. Duh!

    Meanwhile, Ann Coulter says she could not only support, but even work for Bernie Sanders if he would go back to his 2007 stance on immigration! Back then his stance was zero immigration because it was driving down wages for blue collar workers.

    Ann is a one issue girl. She feels betrayed by Trump.
     
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  24. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    "Back then his stance was zero immigration because it was driving down wages for blue collar workers."

    Not necessarily zero immigration, but not much immigration was the traditional stance of the vast majority of the Democratic Party for generations: FDR, Truman, Cesar Chavez, Carter, Mondale, Clinton, and most of the over-60 Democrats in the Senate and House today until very, very recently. They recognized the economic reality of the blue collar labor market, and supported the interests of blue collar workers.

    Most Reaganites, on the other hand, supported lots of immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens (or at least looking the other way and not enforcing the law), to ensure a glut of low skilled labor to keep labor costs down and business profits up. This was in-line with U. of Chicago thinking. Buchanan and his wing of the GOP (of whom Trump is the current GOP manifestation) were outliers back then.
     
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  25. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I don't think I agree with this. How are you defining "Reaganite"? Because I would call myself one but I do not support illegal *anything*, much less illegal immigration.
     
  26. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    That's easy, first look to Reagan himself to see what Reaganites believed and did. A loose immigration policy and amnesty for illegal aliens was exactly what Ronald Reagan and his administration did. In 1986 Reagan granted amnesty to approx. 3 million illegal aliens and permitted them to seek citizenship (sponsored by Senator Simpson (R. Wyo.) often referred to as the "Reagan Amnesty").

    Then Reagan issued an executive order in 1987 giving a blanket deferral of deporting illegal minors living in a household with illegal parents who got amnesty and were legalizing. This executive order affected 100,000 families.

    Also look at Jack Kemp, Sen. Simpson,

    "The 1980s saw the highest rate of immigration to the United States since the 1910s, and the proportion of the foreign-born population reached its highest level since the 1940s."

    Check out the video clip below from a Reagan vs. G.W. Bush debate:




    A chamber-of-commerce attitude towards immigration prevailed in the GOP in the '80s. Buchanan and his followers were outliers in the GOP of that era (on this issue, but not on abortion, cutting welfare, etc.).
     
  27. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    A cynical person could look at the GOP's evolution of attitudes toward immigration (including illegal immigration) from Reagan to now and explain it as follows:

    Reagan and his GOP wanted huge numbers of incoming laborers to cause a labor glut to bust the unions. Once the unions were effectively busted, and apparently too weak to ever come back in force (in the private sector at least), then the GOP was free to shift towards more of a Buchanan/Trump position on immigration--a position more in line with the views of the rank-and-file GOP voter who was not a business owner.
     
  28. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    But why let something trivial like that get in the way of Chop making crap up about Trump.
     
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  29. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    What happened, as I recall, was that Reagan went along with the amnesty thing for illegals already here in return for stricter border control. After amnesty was granted, the Dems reneged on the border control part. So Reagan got suckered I must admit.
     
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  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    He'll stop at nothing to be reelected, but I don't think he'd view sodomy references as helping him get reelected.
     
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