Will fans still sing The Eyes post-game even if its banned?

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Joe Fan, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Ajo
    All due respect but it is easier than you think
    And we have joined in spontaneous singing before
    It will happen,
     
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  2. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Some 6 year old will create an app. Fixed it. (My 5-year-old grandson can already tell me what is wrong with some of his apps.)
     
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  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Will our large band just sit on its hands?
    Maybe they will take the last train for the coast
     
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  4. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Interesting question
    If the University decides not to play it the people in the band would have no choice if they wanted to stay in the band
    Shouldn't they also ban the Star Spangled Banner? In 1812 America it was legal to own slaves as it was legal in most of the entire world.
     
  5. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Just the vestal virgins in the band.
     
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  6. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    There are still fans singing "make 'em eat SHEET!" in the fight song. I hear it occasionally at games. But you generally can't tell. If the band doesn't lead "the Eyes" at the end of the game, it will eventually go away too.

    Soon the fight song will be changed again to "Give 'em Hell! Give 'em Hell! Black lives matter!"
     
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  7. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    The quicker “make em eat s...” goes away the better. It is classless.
     
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  8. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    In my mind, that comparison is apples and peanuts. The confederate flag was the battle flag for traitors to the United States who fought to dismantle the Union.

    How in the world The Eyes could be viewed in the same universe as the flag that symbolized the cause of slavers, traitors and those who would fracture the UNION escapes me. What a few students did a hundred years ago, which as I understand it, had nothing to do with official school policy, or with establishing or underpinning the actions or purposes of the confederate states into University policy. I could be ill informed of the original sorry event's purpose. I am under the impression it was a spontaneous action of a few students. Maybe someone should enlighten me.
     
  9. Giovanni Jones

    Giovanni Jones 2,500+ Posts

    And I agree with you, Caryhorn. My fear is that there are people out there who can't/won't make the distinction that you did (which is spot on).

    A more apt comparison would be the Volkswagen Beetle which was introduced in 1930s Germany ... it would be absolutely ridiculous to equate owning/driving a VW Beetle these days with supporting the German regime of that time. There is nothing remotely racist in the music or lyrics of The Eyes. And I'm not aware of any of my classmates singing it with the intent of promoting white supremacy (and I can't even believe I'm typing that); the original intent of the song was to satirize a phrase that the UT President was using at the time. Its introduction at a minstrel show was most unfortunate.
     
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  10. Galvestonhorn

    Galvestonhorn 250+ Posts

    Calling the many people that were fighting on the Confederate states of America side, the many people living in the south, including many Texans, my ancestors “traitors” is pure bull s—-. If that were the case, why would the US government (with taxpayer money) allow statues etc to be erected ALL over the country for over a 100 years?

    History is being erased and rewritten by a small mob rule.
     
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  11. Ajo Macho

    Ajo Macho 500+ Posts

    What should we call them instead? Betrayers? Turncoats? Apostates? Judas-es? Snakes in the grass?

    "I think we should change the school song."
    :soapbox:

    "I think I'll declare war against my own country."
    Not a traitor at all! Build a statue!
     
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  12. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Secessionists, patriots, invasion defenders, constitutionalists, Texans, UT founders, voters, states rightists.....
     
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  13. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Was George Washington a traitor for trying to dismantle the British Empire?

    Was Sam Houston a traitor for trying to dismantle Mexico?

    The South was not trying to overthrow the U.S. government, they were trying to declare independence just like George Washington and Sam Houston.

    My loyalty is to God, my family and friends, then Texas, and then to the U.S. If Texas were ever to secede again, even if I did not agree with Texas, I would choose Texas over the U.S. Federal Government.

    Robert E. Lee is the perfect example. He did not want to fight for the South. He did not support slavery. He agonized over who to fight for when Lincoln offered him command of the Union forces and he ultimately decided he could not make war on his family or countrymen of Virginia. People also do not realize that had Lincoln let South Carolina and the other deep South states secede, Virginia likely would have stayed in the Union. Virginia only joined the South after the War started because they believed in a state's right to secede and they did not want northern troops marching through Virginia to infringe on such right.

    Other than the results of war and violence, secession is a very open question. To this day, it is not banned under the Constitution. You'll notice the northern states still did not ban it by amendment after the civil war. It is clear under our federal system, before the civil war, the founding fathers intended to federal government and states to be co-sovereigns. If you polled the founding fathers and Americans themselves prior to 1861, you would have a very mixed answers on whether states had the right to secede, although I would guess the states' right of secession would get over 50% of such a poll.

    However, back to my main point, I have no family that has ever lived in the North. All of my ancestors lived in Virginia, South Carolina, Louisiana or Texas. The history of the North is not my history or the history of my people. Being from San Antonio, I have more in common with Mexican culture than I do the maple drinkers up in New Hampshire. I do know that northerners/yankees look down on and despise Texas and the South. They vote against the South and have politically suppressed the south in various ways. When was the last time we had a conservative, white southern supreme court justice? Nixon tried to appoint one and the north would not allow it. As a white, conservative southerner, no matter how great of a lawyer I was, I know that I would NEVER be allowed to be on the Supreme Court. In short, I do not consider yankees, specifically white ones, to be my brothers or countrymen.

    If I were to ever side with them over my family or state, I would be a disloyal traitor to my fellow Texans. Why on God's green earth would I ever side with THEIR government over Texas?

    I question the morals and priorities of anyone who would betray their family and friends and the place they live to side with a federal government of people from thousands of miles away.
     
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  14. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    77,

    Your posts makes two things very clear:

    1) You are one of those people who thinks the TRUTH is relevant and should be considered

    2) You flunked "Revisionist History", as well as the course about how to use it to get your way.
     
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  15. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    The short version of my post is "Texas #1!"
     
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  16. TEXnSEATTLE

    TEXnSEATTLE 1,000+ Posts

    WINNER, WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!
     
  17. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    When your country is right and your state is wrong.
     
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  18. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I haven't seen that happen yet.
     
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  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Thank you, I am glad someone caught that
     
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  20. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    Fine-If you don’t sing the Eyes of Texas you have to run bleachers in the heat for an hour. Too bad Frank Medina’s gone!
     
  21. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    If they try to drown out THE EYES, you PROTEST that by NOT SHOWING UP the next game... and NOT selling your tickets to someone else... A near EMPTY stadium and lost concessions after each time they try to squelch OUR freedom expression sends a loud message !!!!!! The silent majority can not be silent anymore !!!!!!!!!
     
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  22. MajesticII

    MajesticII 1,000+ Posts

    ******** !!! We do just fine at baseball regionals where school songs aren't done..A little more difficult with more people but it would work ok.....It may not be perfect but it would work !!!!!!!!
     
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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    I dont know if that is possible but would definitely send a message.
    Tough call for the AD too as he has a new part of the stadium opening in 2021 that he has tied himself to.
    Meanwhile, Korn, Ferry waits patiently for our phone call
     
  24. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    If the band isn't allowed to lead it, a single cheerleader walking out on the field after the game, throwing up the Horns, and start the singing. Seattle you're in charge of getting that done.

    Who volunteers to unplug the jumbotron?
     
  25. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    If the people at the top decide to not have the EYES played a cheerleader who did that would be removed.
    With social media it would be easy to organize fans doing it.
     
  26. OrangeShogun

    OrangeShogun 500+ Posts

    So, are you guys saying that if the University caves to these demands, i.e. banning of TEoT, you're still going to the games and by extension supporting these players? This is where it gets dicey for me. Depending upon how the University responds to these demands, I'm either not supporting specific players, or I'm completely cutting ties with UT.
     
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  27. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Benedict Arnold is most famous with siding with his country over his state. There will always be Hanoi Janes and Benedict Arnolds I suppose...
     
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  28. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    If UT keeps the Eyes of Texas and gets rid of all of the troublemakers, I am back on board.

    If UT keeps the Eyes of Texas and keeps Herman, Mitchell, Eagles, Sterns and any other ringleaders, I will be indifferent and not attending games until all of them are gone. However, once Herman and the problem players are gone, assuming UT has not gotten worse, I can get back on board.

    If UT gets rid of the Eyes of Texas, I am out altogether.
     
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  29. OrangeShogun

    OrangeShogun 500+ Posts

    My sentiments exactly with the possible exception of Herman. I need to re-read his comments and hopefully gather additional details from other sources to better determine how much his influence may have directly contributed to the actions of these players.
     
  30. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    77,

    I am going to see first hand what happens and what doesn't happen. TV, ESPN, fish wrap, other media will slant their reporting, and leave out most of what I want to know.

    I have been given some assurances about a few things that are important to me. While I have let my opinion of Herman be known, as well as my choice of the next HC, we may or may not be in disagreement on that, but Herman can't leave soon enough for me. He's a damn foreigner and needs to be the new HC at UCLA. If he wins the National Championship, I will still want him gone.

    I shall also be in Dallas, with or without the State Fair. Who plays football, who plays "games", who quits that day or before will determine whether I am in Austin or attend the Bedlam game.
     
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