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Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Joe Fan, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    Consumers shouldn't have to pay higher prices. Making them shoulder the burden, especially the working and poor, is what creates inequality and dissatisfaction anyway. The problem is mainly with government policy here. The US government incentivized moving manufacturing to China specifically. If the government would have stayed out of it, some of the manufacturing would have gone to China but a significant portion would have gone to other places.

    Chinese labor rates are going way up now anyway. If the market is left to work that manufacturing will go to Vietnam, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.
     
  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Seems kind of odd -- Walmart says it is teaming with Microsoft in bid for TikTok (which is Chinese spyware)

    Also, the CEO just quit
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2020
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  5. Duck Dodgers

    Duck Dodgers 1,000+ Posts

    Probably won't be on iTunes much longer then. All China has to do is contact Apple and all of a sudden there will be some reason why it has to be pulled.
     
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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  7. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    'Killer Satellites" might be a decent punk band name

     
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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Lebron James was unavailable for comment

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  10. Joe Fan

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  12. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    people still way underestimate the China issue. I think I've mentioned it before but I've been involved in multiple referrals to the FBI for things we believed to be passive espionage by Chinese diaspora working at the behest of the Chinese government.

    Russia took the classic Intel approach of training "spies". The Chinese may also do that, but they mostly teach people to just gather what is easy and available. China hoovers everything up and sends it home to parse. Russia used to try to place people in key spots. They are both hard to spot, but the Chinese approach leaves you always questioning your other employees motives.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    China hardly even needed "traditional spies" the last 3 decades as we were willing to just give them whatever they wanted
     
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  15. Joe Fan

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  16. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    On forced "organ harvesting" in China

    “Last week, the Independent Tribunal into Forced Organ Harvesting from Prisoners of Conscience in China issued its final report concluding that China engages in the systematic human-rights atrocity of killing political prisoners & harvesting their organs”

    China Credibly Accused of Organ-Harvesting Atrocity | National Review
     
  17. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    This is proven behavior by the fact that organ acceptors are given a scheduled date and time for their organ transplant. Think about it.
     
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  18. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The CCP has begun a campaign against Australia



    Below is the disturbing fake image in the spoiler, sent by Zhao Lijian who is is China’s foreign ministry spokesman
    You might note the lack of Twitter "fact-check"

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    Last edited: Dec 1, 2020
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Kitchen's 60 Minutes segment regarding why no American should download TikTok
    It's only 2M+, worth a watch

     
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    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  21. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    There goes much of their private sector...
     
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  22. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    To brag a little, I designed this plant. Product is for local market - not economical to export.

     
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    Last edited: Dec 8, 2020
  23. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

  24. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    And all of the idiots managing companies in America who rushed to build manufacturing plants in China will surely be fired for their incompetence.....NOT!
     
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  25. Monahorns

    Monahorns 5,000+ Posts

    mchammer, that is cool. I guess you are a Chem E?
     
  26. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Yes. I designed two other plants in Thailand and elsewhere in China similar to this one. I also have a different plant in India that I designed as well. Detailed engineering and construction contract for that plant to be bid out in Spring. These are generally low tech, but essential chemicals.
     
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  27. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I wish we could do more business in Russia. Tons of opportunities. The problems emanate from the ruling elites in both China and Russia. Thus, the restrictions on business should be narrowed to high tech and military industries.
     
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  28. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Critical question is if the overseas expansion adds or cuts American jobs. The US elites only started to care about China when China started encroaching on high tech, finance, and military sectors. Textiles, furniture, toys, etc? Who cares unless it is you that loses your job. Are you exporting technology or are you exporting jobs? The latter is bad. The former is bad if it is a national security issue.
     
  29. 4th_floor

    4th_floor Dude, where's my laptop?

    Before my retirement, I worked for a technology company for oil refining that had nothing at all to do with defense. We stopped selling in China when we started to see our technology being sold by Chinese companies around the world. They are great at reverse engineering.
     
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  30. Chop

    Chop 10,000+ Posts

    Quick shop question:

    Since natural gas is a feedstock for so many chemicals, are producers of many of these chemicals operating outside the U.S. Gulf Coast or the Arabian Gulf (or other real cheap natural gas price locales) at a significant competitive disadvantage?
     

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