Coronavirus

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Clean, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    King Abbott still hasn't opened Texas. Texas is no longer a place of freedom or even freedom loving people. We are basically California-lite. Not as bad as them... yet.
     
  3. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Sadly, I agree with you. Air conditioning ruined this state!
     
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  4. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    I went to get the “real ID” today in Nashville. Whatever politician came up with this idea needs to be kicked in the ***. (I know it was postponed)

    Roughly half of the people there were from California. Unfortunately they will bring the same politics That caused the problems they are trying to escape.:brickwall:
     
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    He opened bars yesterday, but my County Judge immediately shut them again
    (until the election is over)
     
  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If covid were a human being

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  7. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    He didn't really though. He opened them 50%.

    Then he let's your County Judge make his own tyrannical order. They are basically taking the livelihood away from people while still taking taxes. It's awful and it should end now.
     
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  8. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

  9. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Same in San Antonio. County Judge Nelson Wolff is not about to give up power to Abbott. He loves it too much. Wants to see all kinds of studies and reports before opening bars even at 50%.
     
  10. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I heard on the radio this morning that Europe reported almost 97,000 new cases of Covid yesterday (10/8). The highest one day total for Europe ever. Everywhere but Sweden is getting hammered.
     
  11. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    2 big reasons for all this Covid BS. The big pharma angle is working.
     
  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Does that show Norway & Finland too?
    Maybe there will turn out to be a genetic component.
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    clever ad

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  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Who on the radio? Are they asymptomatic? Are they old cases being reported now? Keep in mind that the EU has 500million people.
     
  15. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    Anybody heard of this treatment? Apparently a doctor in Texas is using it with great success.
     
  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    An excellent article against lockdowns with some political analysis.
     
  17. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Can you copy/paste? Not going to sign up.
     
  18. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Actually isn't this the best time not to get braces? If you're wearing a mask all the time, who gives a crap if you look like a jack-o'-lantern?
     
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  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Sorry. Didn't know it was a pay article.
    It’s baseless to assume that the benefit of lockdowns outweighs their harm.

    NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLEOn October 4, Harvard’s Martin Kulldorff, Oxford’s Sunetra Gupta, and Stanford’s Jay Bhattacharya gathered at Great Barrington, Mass., to pen a declaration that, in just five days, has gained some 15,000 signatures from doctors and health scientists. The declaration calls for a smart alternative to the lockdowns and social-distancing rules that Joe Biden insists are based on “the science.”

    Other experts have been quick to offer criticisms, of course. But that’s how science works. It rarely speaks with one voice. And this is why the declaration matters: It snatches the science card from Biden and everyone else who claims the science should dissuade us from returning to normal life.

    Trump now has the chance to take the science card himself — legitimately. He doesn’t need to pretend all scientists agree, or appeal to his own impressive recovery from COVID-19. Instead, he should remind everyone of the true cost of shutting down schools and businesses and churches.

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    Barrington reminds us that the burden of proof was always on those who called for Draconian lockdowns. That’s because of the severe costs of these measures. As their declaration notes, the “current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.” These include cancers that go undetected because of reduced screening, worse outcomes from cardiovascular disease, deteriorating mental health, and increased harm to at-risk children. All of these risks are especially acute for the young and the less affluent.

    And what proof did lockdown partisans possess? Not much. The case for the lockdowns was based on three speculative ideas, all of which scientific experts dispute.

    First was the belief that the coronavirus was so deadly that it called for an unprecedented and untested response. With the data now in, we know this was wrong. By far the most severe viral outbreak in U.S. history was the Spanish flu of 1918. It killed about 0.7 percent of the population, hitting healthy young adults particularly hard. COVID-19 has claimed 0.06 percent of the population, with deaths concentrated among the elderly with preexisting health problems. As the declaration puts it: “We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young.”

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    Second, in view of this fact, it’s misleading to claim that all SARS-CoV-2 deaths among people who have tested positive for were caused by the virus. The life expectancy in the U.S. is nearly the same as the average age of those with COVID-associated deaths. That suggests the virus is contributing to deaths that would soon have occurred in any case. This is not the Spanish flu.

    Third, it’s baseless to assume that the benefit of lockdowns outweighs their harm. The benefit — thousands of saved lives — was always hypothetical: Models that claimed to show how many would have died without the massive shutdowns proved to be as trusty as crystal balls. Add to this the lack of any clear correlation between lockdown policy and viral outcome, either among the states or countries, and we have ample reason to call that bluff.

    What should President Trump do with this?

    First, he should continue to reassure the public and push back against the press’s panic porn. The scientific facts are squarely on his side.

    Second, he should stop overselling the importance of a vaccine. No one knows if, or when, one will become available. And the promise of a vaccine gives lockdown partisans an excuse to keep pressing their case. The endpoint is herd immunity, which, as the declaration states, can happen safely with or without a vaccine.

    Third, he shouldn’t imply that the virus hits everyone equally. Some in his age bracket won’t fare as well as he has, and he needs to promote the protection of the vulnerable.

    Finally, while granting a diversity of views among experts, he needs to seize the opportunity to show that Biden’s claim to hold the science card is baseless. Trump can win this argument but only if he marshals the scientific evidence to convince Americans we can safely reopen. To do that, he should make a prepared speech drawing on the many prominent scientists who took real risks in signing the Barrington Declaration.

    Douglas Axe, William Briggs, and Jay W. Richards are the authors of The Price of Panic: How the Tyranny of Experts Turned a Pandemic into a Catastrophe.
     
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  20. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Unfortunately, and of course, it doesn't matter what Trump says or does because the lockdown partisans, I like that, want to hurt him, so unlocking is not an option for them.
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    But the price is right!
     
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  22. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

  23. theiioftx

    theiioftx Sponsor Deputy

    The science will mysteriously change between Nov 3 and Jan 17.
     
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  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Those cases are asymptomatic? Old? From contact tracing? I trust any news at this point without getting the details. The journalists have been very dishonest in how they have reported.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The WHO has reversed its position (again). This time on LOCKDOWNS, condemning them --

    “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.”

    WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns
     
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  26. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

     
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  27. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    ^ the only way that would be better is if it were true
     
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  28. Driver 8

    Driver 8 Amor Fati

    CASES
     
  29. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Driver, "cases".
     
  30. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Very few deaths though. UK is typical.

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