The problem.

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by LonghornDave, Oct 10, 2020.

  1. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Hahahaha, pick Bryon!
     
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  2. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    Well, stepping back ... Linc leaving the Big XII is a distraction IMO. His success vs. Mensa is really not the real problem. Linc going to Atlanta will not fix OUR program short or long term....
     
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  3. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    As this point, no it isn't even a factor.
     
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  4. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Can’t believe he will take that job. Career killer.
     
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  5. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    This is exactly what I would do if I had the power.

    This program cannot be healed until the elephant in the room is addressed, The Eyes. Wins won’t fix it IMHO. Folks are pissed. Life long supporters are walking away. More than a few are pulling against Texas. Herman betrayed Longhorn Nation. It’s a very sick deal.

    Until Herman is removed and The Eyes is reinstated — and mandatory for the players to at least be present and show respect, this will not get fixed and we will not have a pipe dream of a chance to return the program to greatness.
     
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  6. I_Dont_Exist

    I_Dont_Exist 1,000+ Posts

    I fear the toothpaste is out of the tube on "the eyes".
     
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  7. NRHorn

    NRHorn 2,500+ Posts

    Thanks, I always thought it was leadway, learned something new on Hornfans.
     
  8. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    you are correct!
     
  9. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

  10. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Duke wow
    He was right but MAN I hate having it be so national

    I also wonder why since Herman pandered to the players, why did he lose them?
     
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  11. rick mueller

    rick mueller Burnt Orange Bleeder

    Perhaps because he caved, now they know he has no backbone and they don't respect him. Just a guess on my part.
     
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  12. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    So this guy is captain obvious.
     
  13. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Dave
    Yes but this is a national audience. Ouch
     
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  14. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    I don't mind it being National. But it needs to be fixed NOW.
     
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  15. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Players now know that Herman has people he answers to, and they have met those people and heard 'the word" from them. They realize that Herman watered down the first message. He has long since lost the locker room, but now he has no chance of regaining them. The play has been made; next move is from the puppeteers not the puppets.
     
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  16. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Sabre
    What do you think the puppeteers will do?
     
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  17. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Public displays and embarrassments to try to get Hartzel to cave.

    The administration has given, given, given, now it's time for the puppets to learn about negotiations. give and take, compromise. They have taken and given nothing back, although a couple really played hard Saturday.
     
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  18. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    I share this take, and expressed it in an email to CDC today...as if he will ever see it.

    Herman may be an IQ genius but we have all known high IQ people that lacked common sense and judgment. Herman fits into this category. I am convinced that he also lacks maturity. The stand he took in the summer — the “but will we let them date our daughters?” opinion — came from someone who failed to analyze the entirety of the situation. As a result, TH is a dead man walking.

    The longer CDC/Hartzell delay addressing the obvious, the greater the damage. When the cancer has been identified, any additional delays will only be detrimental for the patient, in this case the Texas Football Program.

    I don’t hate TH but I have grown to really dislike him.
     
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  19. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    He sees them and responds as quickly as possible. (Voice of experience)

    Right now, he has been "promoted to general" by his "commander in chief". They appeared and delivered a unified message.

    As for cutting bait, there are multiple negotiations that have to happen. IF the new coach knows Ash & Yurich, will he accept them? (I believe both are on three year guaranteed deals) When does he take over? (before or after early signing period) When to announce? (recruits you can save vs thefts vs those undecided)

    Lots of moving parts, not without some saboteurs along the route. I trust Chris (and now Jay) to get it worked out and get this program back on the road.

    I personally think Chris' handling of the season ticket situation this year was the best of any major program in the country.
     
  20. LHABSOB

    LHABSOB 1,000+ Posts

    @SabreHorn Got a lot of respect for your opinions even though I may not always agree and I think your takes here are spot on. I think I know the answer but in your mind have CDC and Hartzell already made the decision on TH?
     
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  21. OrangeShogun

    OrangeShogun 500+ Posts

    That's odd. I've sent him several e-mail messages dating back to mid June and have yet to receive a reply of any sort.
     
  22. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Have they made the decision or has it been made for them? My thought is "Yes" and "Yes". Lots of moving parts and bases to cover, but mostly the timeline.
     
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  23. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Shogun,

    You are obviously not as big a pain in the *** as I am.
     
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  24. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    SH, my uninformed opinion would be to remove TH immediately and put him in an office (as you have suggested), but then elevate Yurcich to interim coach. Meanwhile, Texas could be working the options behind the scenes. If Yurcich gets it together by the end of the season, “perhaps” that would provide more options, including keeping he and Ash for 2021.
     
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  25. zuckercanyon

    zuckercanyon 2,500+ Posts

    if you were in the longhorn band now would you still play the eyes?
     
  26. longhornlegend

    longhornlegend 1,000+ Posts

    He lost them because he is not a leader. If they respected or feared him, none of this crap would happen. As I have mentioned on another thread, you think the players at Alabama told Nick what to do. He would have said, I hope your next school will be happy to help you enroll. Thats the difference. Just like Reagan said back in the 80's, when the adults started letting the kids decide which rules they would follow then its game over! I have been a longhorn fan more than 50 years and as I told CDC after the debacle on saturday watching basically only Sam stand and sing, I will not wear the burnt orange any longer until this crap is resolved. I know I am not the only one but as you see this week CDC said they will stand together and sing. I presume the big cigars said enough. Again, CDC should have said this back in the spring to give the players enough time to pack and transfer. In the immortal words of governor good hair, adios mofo.
     
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  27. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    I've been debating someone about whether the 2-2 record is reflective of the civil rights efforts being made by the players. Do we believe the team's performance has been impaired?
     
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  28. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Yes
     
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  29. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    Yes.
     
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  30. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    When I hear players being lazy on the field I have no doubt it relates to this social justice mess. When I also hear ineffective mensa boy say he's asked players to do things over and over yet they won't do it, I know he's still a mental midget leader. And yes I said midget. Dion is on vacation. :yes:
     
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