'I Feel Duped on Climate Change'

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by Namewithheld, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    So having a Cat 4 hurricane is proof of increasing global warming, but colder than expected temperatures are not proof that it's not warming. Got it. These people are so full of ****....
     
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  2. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    If your religion is that there is a climate crisis, facts can't trump faith.

    And that is coming from a religious guy.
     
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  3. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    So did the North Pole temp increase? Maybe we’re tilting, hahaha.
     
  4. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Yes Monahorns. The religion must not be questioned. HERESY!!!!
     
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  5. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    Global warming was supposed to ruin the cacao crop.

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  6. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Higher CO2 means plants grow much faster. Crop yields have been going up for a while. A warm earth is a prosperous earth.
     
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  7. UTChE96

    UTChE96 2,500+ Posts

    EDITORIAL: Environmentalists oppose building largest solar plant in US

    This editorial is a few months old but still very relevant. I have long felt the modern environmentalist movement was really just a cover for radical leftists to cloak their anti-capitalist intentions. I knew the same climate change proponents would eventually oppose the construction of renewable power projects as well.

     
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  8. Vol Horn 4 Life

    Vol Horn 4 Life Good Bye To All The Rest!

    In general liberals seem to just like to protest something.
     
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  9. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    For reasons completely unrelated to climate, restrictions/regulations around nuclear plant construction and devlepment of new techniques should removed.

    There are several different nuclear feedstocks that could be far cheaper than coal and would last practically forever.
     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    So I saw this yesterday in Norwich. It's not everyday that you see Quakers for climate justice.

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  11. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    There are reasons for environmentalist to oppose a solar project beyond just the energy production. History is full of examples where our "cure" turns out to be worse than the disease. This solar project might kill off a species. The world likely wouldn't end if we didn't have these turtles but that possible result should be factored. I personally am a fan of nuclear. I do think it is the answer but obviously it is one of the prime examples of "the cure can be worse than disease" because it has failed in the past with disastrous results. Nuclear plant design has come a long way in the last 50 years but that rarely is enough to overcome the rhetoric of "impending nuclear disaster". Hopefully some region will eventually break the seal on small scale nuclear plants, because that is likely going to need to happen in small increments to get people to trust nuclear again.
     
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  12. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    What is climate justice? Equal rain for all? LULZ
     
  13. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    It's a way to incorporate wokeness into environmentalism by presuming that climate change hurts the poor, POC, LGBTQ, women, etc. more than it hurts Whitey and calls for equitable distribution of environmental benefits and harms.

    In other words, it's just exploiting climate change to further promote neo-Marxist horse **** and totalitarianism.
     
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  14. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    That sir is unadulterated ********. The worst failure was Chernobyl which wasn't a failure of "nuclear" but a failure of the Communist system. They were sloppy undisciplined and make multiple operational errors in a row that no one cared about until they were all dead.
     
  15. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    Of course every bad thing hurts poor people more than the rich. The rich have more resources to insulate themselves from bad conditions. Those resources were built with fossil fuel powered energy. More fossil fuel energy is the path to give people more resources, not less.
     
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  16. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    California law bans small off-road gas engines, including lawnmowers and chainsaws


    "The new law is expected to affect nearly 50,000 small businesses. California's budget includes $30 million to help professional landscapers and gardeners quit using gas-powered equipment, but even then, the budget is still not capable of bearing the full financial burden.

    The National Association of Landscape Professionals also noted how zero-emission commercial equipment is both more expensive and less efficient than gas-powered equipment. A gas-powered riding lawn mower costs between $7,000-$11,000 while the zero-emissions version costs more than twice that amount, according to the outlet."


    Look at what the bill's author say's"

    "This is a pretty modest approach..."

    THIS IS THE ARROGANCE OF TOTALITARIANISM. This is why Liberalism must be crushed at the polls. These people are sick with ambition. They cannot be counted on to do anything except feed us cake.
     
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  17. Horn2RunAgain

    Horn2RunAgain 2,500+ Posts

    No gas lawnmowers... unreal

    I use a push reel mower for a lot of good reasons, but that law takes the stupid cake.
     
  18. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    They will have to come up with some ‘green’ credits or subsidies because electric is expensive if you go cordless and corded is a PITA. Batteries on those cordless options don’t last long and are $$$ to replace.
     
  19. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    Implementation timelines make all the difference in the world with mandates like this. Too short and it feels like a draconian business killing mandate. I already have a battery weed eater and it works very well. But I did have to buy a second tool+battery if I wanted more than 1:15 in run time. I also don't know yet whether I will get 3 yrs out of this battery or 6 or 8. Or what batteries will cost to replace, or if they will even still be configured correctly for my device. Unfortunately they don't have a Universal battery config yet so you are locked in to a brand right now and if they decide to change their config, your tools become worthless.

    I'm already looking at electric lawn mowers and I've been impressed so far but I'm waiting one more season for that. That being said, this is personal use and a far cry from the high load that a commercial entity will require. I would think that application is still a few years away from ready. I think this CA action does already build in a staged approach. Time will tell if that timeline is too aggressive and will cause undue hardship on that industry or if it will be the stimulus needed to get commercial equipment up to speed.

    Where this is REALLY, REALLY stupid is that they are doing this even though they don't have a capable electric grid and they are still shunning Nuclear. Mandating everyone move to electric this and that before you have the capacity to provide the juice consistently is monumentally stupid.
     
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  20. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Did you buy an upscale brand like Stihl? The batteries are big bucks to replace and even with meticulous care I will be astounded if they hold the ‘re’ charge ability for three years. And I agree about the universality - any handyman homeowner can attest to that frustration. I’ll bet I have gone thru at least a dozen different model elect drills all with different batteries.
     
  21. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    I have Dewalt tools and batteries, I was going to get their lawnmower but put it off a year. Read that you need two 60 volt batteries to keep it running for an hour.
     
  22. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

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    bystander 10,000+ Posts

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  24. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

  25. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

    This is the problem with the Totalitarians... they pretend to be progressive enough to accept that truth changes with the facts, but in the case of "follow the money," whatever conclusions rendered by science are to be acted upon immediately, without a slowed gait or pause for possible blunder.
     
  26. Garmel

    Garmel 5,000+ Posts

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  27. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I find it very funny that Hollywood can be complete believers in conspiracies with big money, pharma, science, etc... when it comes time to make a buck off their own movies but in the real world, when conservatives point out that there are possible perverse incentives in the Climate and COVID debates then we are bunch of backwoods idiots.

    This is from a guy that believes there is something to be concerned about with climate and someone who has taken the vaccine. Neither of these debates is "fact" yet. There is "evidence" to support certain conclusions, but they are both well short of being irrefutable facts at this point.
     
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  28. bystander

    bystander 10,000+ Posts

  29. Monahorns

    Monahorns 10,000+ Posts

    The sea level rise has been decreasing lately, at last as of a couple of years ago.

    I also read several places that most of what is claimed as sea rise has been sea shore erosion. So not sure it's a problem.
     
  30. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    Wonder what will happen to Obama’s new house?
     
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