You think stopping someone for ID is bad?

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by general35, Apr 20, 2011.

  1. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Try living in the peoples republic of Michigan where if you get stopped for a traffic violation, they download everything off your cell phone.

    I would probably go to jail because I would never allow this. My work phone has highly confidential data on it.

    Message from the government. "If you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide."

    The Michigan State Police have a high-tech mobile forensics device that can be used to extract information from cell phones belonging to motorists stopped for minor traffic violations. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Michigan last Wednesday demanded that state officials stop stonewalling freedom of information requests for information on the program.

    ACLU learned that the police had acquired the cell phone scanning devices and in August 2008 filed an official request for records on the program, including logs of how the devices were used. The state police responded by saying they would provide the information only in return for a payment of $544,680. The ACLU found the charge outrageous.

    "Law enforcement officers are known, on occasion, to encourage citizens to cooperate if they have nothing to hide," ACLU staff attorney Mark P. Fancher wrote. "No less should be expected of law enforcement, and the Michigan State Police should be willing to assuage concerns that these powerful extraction devices are being used illegally by honoring our requests for cooperation and disclosure."

    A US Department of Justice test of the CelleBrite UFED used by Michigan police found the device could grab all of the photos and video off of an iPhone within one-and-a-half minutes. The device works with 3000 different phone models and can even defeat password protections.

    "Complete extraction of existing, hidden, and deleted phone data, including call history, text messages, contacts, images, and geotags," a CelleBrite brochure explains regarding the device's capabilities. "The Physical Analyzer allows visualization of both existing and deleted locations on Google Earth. In addition, location information from GPS devices and image geotags can be mapped on Google Maps."
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  2. msdw24

    msdw24 1,000+ Posts


     
  3. LondonOllie

    LondonOllie 250+ Posts

    Is that even legal???
     
  4. TexasGolf

    TexasGolf 2,500+ Posts

    Finally the ACLU gets one right
     
  5. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Is that even legal???
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    not really, but we have a population more concerned with american idol than its civil rights.
     
  6. Bevo Incognito

    Bevo Incognito 5,000+ Posts


     
  7. Namewithheld

    Namewithheld 2,500+ Posts


     
  8. wherzwaldo

    wherzwaldo 1,000+ Posts

    The ONLY good reason I could think of for doing something like this was to possibly check and see if the person was talking or texting while driving, assuming that one or both is against the law. Even that use is tenuous. Downloading photos, videos, etc. crosses the line.
     
  9. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    the problem with the ACLU is that MOST of the cases they take are not popular ....

    The problem with the ACLU is that the general public doesn't understand what civil liberties mean. Which makes the problem with the general public and not with the ACLU.

    Thank god for the ACLU.
     
  10. Namewithheld

    Namewithheld 2,500+ Posts


     
  11. washparkhorn

    washparkhorn 2,500+ Posts


     
  12. BigWill

    BigWill 2,500+ Posts

    can any of you give me a few examples of when the ACLU has been "wrong"?


    I didn't think so.
     
  13. HornsInTheHouse

    HornsInTheHouse 500+ Posts


     
  14. rickysrun

    rickysrun 2,500+ Posts


     
  15. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    It's almost unbelievable how dense you are, almost.

    Don't be so hard on him.

    He did an excellent job in confirming my point that the problem really does lie with the general public.

    It's kind of ironic that the morons who so decry the evil ACLU benefit from what the ACLU does.

    There's a reason why the US is the greatest country the world has ever seen and our civil liberties are a big reason for that.

    Unfortunately, the US is being populated by more and more people who don't understand this. Oh well.
     
  16. bronco

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  17. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts


     
  18. Ag with kids

    Ag with kids 2,500+ Posts


     
  19. VRHorn

    VRHorn 25+ Posts


     
  20. NEWDOC2002

    NEWDOC2002 1,000+ Posts

    I love the leftists attacks on the right which usually involve some sort of personal insult because your arguments are too weak to actually stand on their own. Nice civil discourse here.

    And do you really think that the ACLU exist in a political and impersonal vacuum? Dream on. And way to stay on topic BTW.

    This use of data mining is extremely disturbing. So much so, that I didn't think that the thread would get derailed. But this is the new WM.
     
  21. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin


     
  22. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    I just dont think that is a good enough reason to overturn the wishes of the majority. I don't think that is progress.

    Exactly! This man knows his US government!!!

    Let's bring back the "coloreds only" drinking fountains in the deep south, after all, the majority wants them! (or wanted them at one time....)
     
  23. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    I don't want my tax dollars going to any religious symbology of any kind. Not because it offends me, but because the government has no place whatsoever in the sphere of religious belief.
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    maybe we can tear down all the gov buildings with religious symbiology and disband congress and the supreme court for saying prayers before they begin their duties.
     
  24. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    Why am I suddenly wanting to watch Boondock Saints?
     
  25. JohnnyM

    JohnnyM 2,500+ Posts


     
  26. wherzwaldo

    wherzwaldo 1,000+ Posts


     
  27. Perham1

    Perham1 2,500+ Posts

    Waldo, I heard about that this morning on NPR.

    Dollars to doughnuts the Feds can access that info. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple developed that tracking system whilst working with the Feds, you know, in case Osama Bin Laden ever bought an iPhone.
     
  28. wherzwaldo

    wherzwaldo 1,000+ Posts

    FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't just Apple doing that. Cell companies can do it anyway with or without a smartphone, since they can track your location even with your GPS turned off.
     
  29. bronco

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  30. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Cell companies can do it anyway with or without a smartphone, since they can track your location even with your GPS turned off.
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    They cant track you with the cell phone off right?
     

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