Obama announcing withdrawal from iraq

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by general35, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Current news conference on tv. Withdrawal of all troops by end of year.
     
  2. Bevo Incognito

    Bevo Incognito 5,000+ Posts

    And we are going to be leaving behind a failed or failing state.

    Thanks, GWB.
     
  3. general35

    general35 5,000+ Posts

    Just like egypt and Libya.
     
  4. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    I think Obama had no choice. Iraq would not grant immunity to the 5,000 we wanted to leave there.

    Screw iraq then
     
  5. Knoxville-Horn

    Knoxville-Horn 1,000+ Posts

    Sounds to me like we were just kicked out by Malaki. I sure hope that every last cent of foreign aid to Iraq just got shut down.
     
  6. Bevo Incognito

    Bevo Incognito 5,000+ Posts

    Remember when we were being lead into Iraq and were told that the war would pay for itself and that it would last "six days, six weeks ... I doubt six months."? And then how, almost immediately, 12 billion dollars in cash disappeared without a trace, right off an airplane, right off the bat?

    Seems like just yesterday.
     
  7. Leftwith

    Leftwith 500+ Posts


     
  8. HornsForever'93

    HornsForever'93 1,000+ Posts

    Bush lied about wmd's
     
  9. TexasGolf

    TexasGolf 2,500+ Posts

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  10. TexasGolf

    TexasGolf 2,500+ Posts

    load up the oil tankers
     
  11. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    You guys do realize that all of the weapons and ingredients for WMD were moved in 2000-2002 from Iraq to Libya.

    When we invaded Iraq, Quaddafi said he didn't want that to happen to him and lo and behold, he gave them up to get in the US's good graces......
     
  12. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    The fact that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction was a surprise to our vice president,but not our whole intelligence community. I can't remember where, but I imagine it was Time or Newsweek, that reported Saddam Hussein actually that he had WMDs. The people responsible for developing them didn't tell the truth because they were afraid too.
     
  13. Bronco

    Bronco 500+ Posts

    Obviously no one cares, but does anyone disagree that Saddam used mustard gas (a WMD) on the Kurds? I mean, we have video evidence of it but it might be like the 9/11 truthers or something.

    If we know he used the gas against the Kurds, do we think he just ran out? Used them all up and forgot the recipe?

    He had 2 years to squirrel anything he had away.

    I still think that was a bad reason for a war, but he didnt lie about it.
     
  14. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts

    Saddam's mustard gas attack:


     
  15. hornpharmd

    hornpharmd 5,000+ Posts

    To the OP, didn't I already read this a month or 2 ago? Perhaps it is official now but I don't think this is really new news. This has been the plan and I think most of us our glad as hell to hear it.
     
  16. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    pharm
    actually the plan was to withdraw all but about 5,000.
    The problem is obama asked for immunity for the 5k troops remaining ( which is exactly what he should have done) The iraqi gov't refused
    so BO will bring them all back.
    I think it is the right thing to do
     
  17. ShinerTX

    ShinerTX 1,000+ Posts

    Glad this nightmare is ending. We should get the hell out of Afghanistan ASAP also. Longest war in U.S. history.
     
  18. Bronco

    Bronco 500+ Posts

    Roma- You may very well be right about Iraq's capabilities or lach thereof. However, Saddam had already demonstrated a willingness to attack (Kuwait) and a willingness to deal with anyone who had money.

    As I said, I dont think mustard gas was a sufficient reason to start a war. But, if terrorists were to get a hold of it and unleash it in high population areas, it could have been extrememly messy.

    Bottom line, there is no denying that Saddam had the means to use them, he already proved he was willing to use them and he was already proven to attack other countries. He was in flagrant violation of the peace demands he agreed to. It was a bad, bad situation. Folks were a little jumpy after 9/11. Several mustard gas cannisters set off in shopping malls around the USA would have been deadly to our economy.

    From your own link, thousands of Iranians had been gassed by Saddam. Just because the Iranian govt doesnt care about their people doesnt mean the USA shouldnt.

    I kind of doubt the acertion that they had no way to transport it, but they of course were working on it.

    Again, a bad deal and tough call. I dont think war was warranted, but I can appreciate the argument and loathe the hindsight second guessers (not accusing you of this btw).
     
  19. RomaVicta

    RomaVicta 5,000+ Posts


     
  20. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Will obamites vbe stupid enough to hail this as an BO victory/

    When did BO promise to withdraw troops from Iraq? 16 monts after taking office?
    Which would have been ? april 2010

    when did bush announce withdrawl of troops from iraq> Dec 2011
    When did Bush announce this?
    2008

    Who was right?
     
  21. hornpharmd

    hornpharmd 5,000+ Posts

    It is surely a good thing. Didn't happen as quickly as Obama may have called for earlier but that is reality. And he did the right thing in making sure it happened in the right away.

    Now if McCain were voted in last election we would still be in Iraq for an unspecified period of time. So when you look at it that way it was a victory for those who voted for BO in part b/c they wanted him to withdraw troops from Iraq.

    And then there is the little factoid that he was not part of reason that sent the troops there in error in the 1st place. Another part of mess he has been cleaning up that he didn't create. So I don't blame him for the manner in which he cleaned it up seeing that he was just a little more conservative with the timeline. Actually that should be something that you give him props for.
     
  22. ShinerTX

    ShinerTX 1,000+ Posts

    GWB negotiated our departure by the end of 2011. This is truly nothing new.
     
  23. Roger35

    Roger35 2,500+ Posts

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  24. hornpharmd

    hornpharmd 5,000+ Posts


     
  25. Bevo Incognito

    Bevo Incognito 5,000+ Posts


     

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