1. during the game, after Case is in, the TV showed Case standing on the sidelines with his mouth open, gazing around the stadium, looked like "wow I'm playing Dad, look". Since Ash gets most of the snaps, why isn't Case on the phone with Harsin reviewing the plays that he is good at, assuming there are at least a few plays Case is decent or good at running? I mean, good grief he looks like he's on scholarship to be waterboy, he doesn't look like he 's running an offense. 2. If Mack is such a great recruiter, why doesn't he get two serious dual-threat QBs from the Juco ranks to come in here in the spring and provide competition to these guys, and hopefully win the spot. A Juco could start for two years, and by that time whoever is next will have a year or two in the system. 3. So, I'm guessing Daddy didn't teach Case how to throw a hail mary pass, because? They were never behind? I seriously want to know. The last several plays were just absolutely atrocious. Even before that, when Case got sacked on fourth down, I get the feeling Colt got all 100% of the football IQ genes. We almost got rewarded when Case finally did throw the ball deep one time, into SINGLE COVERAGE. Get that people, Kstate was so sure Case wouldn't throw deep they had single coverage!! I sure thought the idea of recruiting a coach's son was the football IQ thing, and then we get this. Doesn't know he needs to throw the ball up no matter what, and even on the last play, doesn't even give someone a chance to make a miracle play.
I think we should recruit QBs that did not ride a short yellow bus to school in HS. I think that will help. I also think that Harsin is a little over his head here.
Case owns every QB stat this season, with ease. He's all TDs where Ash is INTs. Get used to him as the starter for the rest of the season, and let's hope for another win or 2 plus the bowl game.
2. If Mack is such a great recruiter, why doesn't he get two serious dual-threat QBs from the Juco ranks to come in here in the spring and provide competition to these guys, and hopefully win the spot. A Juco could start for two years, and by that time whoever is next will have a year or two in the system. The reason they are at a juco is the reason they won't get into Texas.
this may sound ridiculous, but if our RBs are healthy enough, why don't we run a wildcat on every play? You could switch out "QBs" occasionally, the "QBs" could learn to hand off and pitch in both directions, we could have sustained drives or at least not have turnovers, and we could always go for it on fourth down. We could put 8 men on the line like we did agaisnt OSU
For all of orangecat's criticisms and the fact that Case gets fewer reps (than David) in practice and on gameday, Case gave the team a puncher's chance to win yesterday, even when we were down 17-3. Everyone knew Texas still had a chance to win with Case when Texas had the ball on its own 20 with 1:16 to play (and no timeouts remaining). While Case gave us a slim 20%-25% chance to lead a game winning drive, David would have given us only a ~1% chance IMO. So knock on Case all you want, but he was the best hope we had.
I don't know a lot about these things, other than from watching a lot of football over the past few decades, but the problem seems relatively simple. It's either an evaluation, or development problem. Last season I thought it was the latter, but now I'm beginning to think it's the former. Perhaps it's both.
Why the f**k bag on Case? Without those two INT's, we win. Don't get me wrong, neither of them is very good, but Ash is killing us. He's at least a half second off on everything he does. BTW after those two picks, I didn't notice Ash going to the headphones/telephone to talk to the man upstairs either. What a mess.
I posted this on the "Start Case" thread a few minutes ago. I'm still confused why people think Ash is better when the stats don't lie. I'll take Case's numbers from my starting QB. Ash G - 10 Att - 149 Comp - 84 Pct. - 56.4% Yards - 926 Yards/Att - 6.2 TD - 3 Int - 8 Yards/G - 92.6 QB Rating - 104.93 McCoy G - 9 Att - 79 Comp - 49 Pct. - 62.0% Yards - 579 Yards/Att - 7.3 TD - 4 Int - 0 Yards/G - 64.3 QB Rating - 140.3 I see Case with higher completion pct, more yds per att, more TD's, zero Int's and higher QB rating. He even has the longest completion of the season for 49 yards. I see Ash leading in attempts, completions, yards (all three because he has played more) and interceptions. The areas Case leads in are indicators of possible success. He may have freshman decision making, but he doesn't make critical mistakes and I don't see him throwing 5 yds behind the receivers. The areas Ash leads in means he has played more and made more mistakes. He is throwing and INT for every 10.8 completions.
If KS needed a QB bet Synder could find a JC. Looking ahead and looking for one always helps. If they grad. from JC should get into Texas and play one year.
Harsin is installing a new offense with players he did not recruit. Ash and McCoy were GD recruits. Until we get ayers that fit his scheme. But Ash although young isn't showing much improvement. McCoy is having better success and had a switch been made earlier to allow him to get into the flow of the game the Horns might have pulled it out last night. But that is only speculation. Still it appear the team responded better to McCoy. The stats above speak volumes to the situation.
I think a Quarterback needs to ride the bench and play sparingly at least one year. Colt was the exception. A QB should be red shirted one year to get a feel for the game and then ride the bench one year afterward. Then he can start his 2nd year as a starter like we did Vince. In Coach Royal's NC years he always had senior starters and they weren't the starters until their senior year except for Street who started his junior year. We shouldn't throw them to the wolves until then.
clarification, I was criticizing the QB who happened to be in the game at the time. I know Ash is toast(ha!), but still, and here we go again, for a Coach's son, Case seems to have 0 football IQ. I don't expect Harsin to have to teach a QB that on fourth down, you throw the ball regardless, I mean you don't throw it right to a defensive man, but you throw the ball up and at least give your guy a chance to fight for the ball. You don't take a sack. Same thing with 0 on the clock, it's the end of the game, there is absolutely no negative to throwing an int. at that time. You throw the ball as high and hard as you can, who knows, you might get a PI call, a miracle might happen, etc. To hear a QB talk about what goes through his mind, I always go back to Major. I remember exactly where I was when I heard the interview with Major, Bill S. was talking to him about his thought process on his long bomb to B. J. Johnson in the loss to Colorado in 2001. Major went through the progressions with Bill, I'm thinking 3 progressions, and then he says out of the corner of his eye he caught B.J. going straight down the field, and he instantly launches a ball as high and far as he can, etc. Today, I saw an interview with RGIII, he had basically the same kind of thought process on his game-winning TD, and he used the words "in milliseconds", iow, his brain is firing all kinds of possibilities in such an incredibly fast rate, and this firing on all cylinders is happening because of years of practice and game situations, but remember RGIII is not a senior, he has about 2? years of college experience. Well, here we have a coach's son, and you can include Ash also. Neither of these guys act like they have brains firing on all cylinders described by Major and RGIII. I can't believe that in Texas high school football a kid only has one read. I believe that with modern coaching, 7 on 7 teams, etc. and thinking about how quick reaction times are when a teenager plays a video game that there has to be quicker reaction time. The brain has to have the ability to say "scramble, get out of there, now heave the ball as far as you can" I mean you can't tell me Case went through QB camps, offseasons, spring, summer, fall, practices for what 10 years? to look as lost as he did the other night!!! Kind of like when I was a 13-14 year old teenager, we had an older teenager helping us move, he was a senior lineman. He got our big huge chest freezer on a dolly, and my dad was gonna try to help him move that thing and the 18 year old said "nope, I've got it, I haven't been lifting weights for four years for nothing", and sure enough he stressed but he pulled that chest freezer into that U-haul by himself, I have no idea how heavy it actually was, but his brain told the muscles what to do and it happened. It wasn't something he had to think about.
Case is inexperienced and has not played in a month. He successfully read the field and led us to 2 scoring drives when he came in. A young, inexperienced QB who has hardly played in month did not preform well with 2 minutes left and the game on the line. I would agree with the above analysis except I watched Case play against BYU, UCLA, Texas Tech and Kansas State before the last two drives. Case can read the field better than Ash or Gilbert. It's like you only watched the last two drives against K-State, the OU game and you are assuming Case is an experienced senior quarterback.
It's not like it was difficult to read that Irby was wide open thanks to a great play call. Ash or Gilbert would have hit that too. And Case also missed a wide open guy in the endzone that would have tied the game.
McCoy completed two passes before that one. Gilbert would have probably hit Irby. I honestly do not know that Ash would have hit that pass. McCoy seems to find the open TE (see UCLA). Ash on the other hand not so much. We let Ash have 5 games. He threw 0 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in those games against some of the worst pass defenses in the country. I was pro McCoy but I gave Ash a chance. I would like to see McCoy start our last 3 games. If he sucks then we can all scream Conner Brewer 2012. I just do not see why posters will not give McCoy the same chance they gave Ash when he has played much better than Ash.
I notice that since the OU game, Case has been endlessly attacked for fumbles and ball security issues. Now, I know he fumbled twice during the OU game. I believe 3 Texas players had fumbles that game -- McCoy, Ash, and Davis. But what I want to know is this: outside of the OU game, how many times has Case fumbled? He's played in what, 9 games? How many total games has Case had a fumble in? It's a hard stat to find online... so I'm hoping someone here knows. I'm just wondering if this is another case of the OU game beating us 4X this season, where we ended up just looking at that one performance and put the blinders on for everything else.
it frick'n amazes me that people are talking how much better one of these guys would do than the other.... NEITHER should be on the field at the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS....NEITHER is a Div I quarterback. THE BEST we can hope for is for someone to walk in from another incredible recruiting class... the last play on Saturday was the most frustrating thing I've ever seen....throwing it in the dirt about ten yards down the field on the LAST PLAY.... I hear that Case can't throw that far...THE WHY THE HELL WAS HE IN THERE?????? Put ASH in the and let him put it up...maybe something would happen...and if he throws another interception....so WHAT!!!
I just saw the "Case can't throw that far" thing thrown out there, too. That seems to me like another OU game misconception, because Case owns the longest completion this season, as well as the higher average yards per completion... these season records are held by him even though he's had almost exactly half of the pass attempts that Ash got. Case passing stats 2011 Ash passing stats 2011
