With the 25 limit having been reached how many more will we take? Early enrolees and juco can be applied to last year. Anyone have an idea of what that number might be? I have heard some rumors about more transfers but have not heard of names.
You can only count 25 towards the 2012 total. So if we took 28, we'd need 3 guys (probably ones who were going to come in the Spring and not shirt in the fall) to take over the remaining scholarships that we didn't award last year. And as for the 85 cap, we'll probably lose some more to attrition anyhow. Maybe not even until the end of fall practices, like Connor Wood.
Scholarship numbers are in place as of July 1. You can't have 87 guys on scholarship in Fall camp with the plans to drop 2 kids. Its not the NFL. Scholarship Roster of 85 is set a month before Fall camp to avoid screwing over the kids. When it comes to the numbers, Mack once said, "we know how to count." This issue happens every year and it always works out. So, if the coaches are still actively recruiting, they have it figured out. This is a non-issue for us fans who don't know how to count, because we don't have all the information. Relax and let Mack do his job.
A guy on the radio today (I think Jeff Howe of 247?) said up to 29 due to attrition likely coming. That would be the top end and we would likely shut it down at 27 of the two bigger studs sign up. But over the break and after the bowl game is a good time to figure out who will leave and stay. There could be early enrollment and transfers. But he did say 29 this year possible.
We truly only have 29 "available" at the moment, because of the 25 plus 4 from the 2011 class that weren't used. The four would count against the 2011 total and not be able to redshirt. I'm sure we would play at least four true freshmen, so that wouldn't matter in the long run (unless there was an injury or something). If we got 30, one recruit would have to take a scholarship under one of the following routes: 1. Take over the scholarship of a player who is leaving due to attrition and only use the playing time they have left (so a class-of-2011 kid who shirted and is leaving, like one of the OL guys who didn't get to play). 2. Grayshirt, sit out for a semester without enrolling in school, and count against the 2013 class when they enroll for Spring Practices following next year. I doubt we'll get 30, so we're probably fine. And as for the 85 limit, I'm sure we'll have attrition before that cutoff date. Damn sure.
Why should we care about scholly limits? There is, apparently, no penalty for consistently going over them.
Exactly. Everyone demonizes Saban and Miles for getting 30 kids and telling a few "adios" every year, but a scholarship offer to play for a University doesn't mean you get a free 5-year trip to take a minimum class load and sit at the end of the football bench. I could have done that, except I paid for my classes at UT. The NCAA specifically states that a scholarship offer is year-by-year. If a student athlete isn't upholding his/her end of the deal with team success, then don't renew the offer. If football players aren't pulling their weight in both practice/game situations and the classroom, then I see no problem with telling them we need the scholarship for someone else. The SEC schools that do this don't seem to lack success, so I'm not as worried about the backlash of letting kids go. Kids leave anyhow, so why not get to pick and choose the ones who aren't helping in any way?
Are you sure about those choices for a kid enrolling early? A kid enrolling early taking a scholarship of kid you left, the new kid only gets the elegibility that is left for that scholarship? That does not sound right to me or maybe I misunderstand.
An athlete can come in in January and his scholarship can replace that of someone who left early but he still has 5 years from date of entering college to get 4 years of playing in. The key is the 85 total scholarship limit. My understanding is that if the previous year's 25 limit was not met (due to the 85 limit, for example) , the January enrollee can count under the previous year thus allowing the full new 25 for the current year (if the 85 limit also permits). I am not 100% confident that I understand this correctly. I am not sure how you count this situation: A FR comes in for 2011 season and is one of the 25 2011 scholarships awarded. He leaves in December opening one of the 85 total scholarships for use in January 2012. But since the team used its full 25 limit in 2011, can the 2012 enrollee count under the 2011 25? There was no spare room in 2011. Does that 2012 Spring enrollee have to count as one of the 2012 allowed 25? For UT, only 21 scholarships of the 25 were awarded in 2011. Remember that Quincy Russell, DT, was #22 but did not qualify. Looks like Russel ended up at Trinity Valley CC.
www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D110.pdf I have been reading this for an hour and cannot find exactly how this 85 limit can be manipulated. If anyone cares to peruse the llink is to the NCAA rule book in pdf. I was reading article 15. Oversigning: 15.5.1.9 Offers Exceeding Maximum Allowable Awards. An institution may offer more than the maximum number of permissible awards in a sport (per Bylaw 15.5) in anticipation that not all of the offers will be accepted, but the institution shall not exceed the awards limitation in the sport in question. Something I did find interesting is that if a scholorship is dropped for any reason the student is entitled to a hearing. Members of the atheletic department are not allowed on the comittee conducting the hearing. I think this would prevent a coach from dropping scholorships at the last minute since a hearing could tie it up for some time and exceed the limit if the ship was awarded to someone else..
OHF, I have read that section of the manual numerous times and am still unsure of many of the details. It is worse than the OSHA and EPA manuals for industry! As far as I can tell, the 85 limit can not be manipulated if you consider it from a play eligible athlete aspect. Putting a player on a "medical" scholarship where they will never play again may be seen as manipulation but it does not allow more than 85 scholarship PLAYERS. The 25 annual limit seems to be the manipulatable factor. Counting athletes against previous or future (greyshirt) annual limits seems to be how it is done. The 28 Letter of Intent rule allows for additional LOIs to allow for nonqualifiers.
Just for fun, I took a quick look at the current scholarship count including known and reported seniors, transfers, medicals and such. 60 returning players on scholarship (includes Vaccaro and Drav Johnson - Vaccaro possibly going pro and another thread mentioned Johnson not playing next year but not confirmed) 25 verbal commits per Rivals including the 2 JUCOs. Voila' - 85 total
The updated total number returning on full rides as of 12-16-11 is 57. So we need 28 JUST to even get to 85. We will always save room for Davis, DGB, and Mario since they could start day one.
I guess I miscounted or didn't know of a few non-returnees. Heard on radio this afternoon tha Drav Johnson will not return. His name was included with others as having graduated. Confirmed on mackbrown-texasfootball.com.
I posed the same question to Bob Stoops and he replied, "We? I don't know about we. You don't seem the type, but I can take about a bagful of 40 at a time." Not sure what that means.
Because the attrition numbers are not done yet, I don't think the numbers on how many we take are done yet either! If the right ones commit, we could push past 30 ... and the reason I say that is because we know that 4 enrolled last spring (2011) and counted against the previous year... with that said, how many enrolled early in 2010 and counted towards 2009 total? So that might leave more spots open to count towards last year...
Looking at what they have already taken I hope they are very very selective with those last few spots. Seems like they have already taken everything they need at most positions. I don't see a FB or TE and not sure if that is an area of need for this particular class or if it can wait. Of the 4 listed as athlete I am guessing QB, DB, and WR are in the mix for those guys. Not sure if one would be a candidate for RB but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get another RB if not. I absolutely love what Mack has done at OL with this class. 3 OT prospects....2 already over 300 lbs....Riser is 2nd rated OG in the nation and is probably pushing 300 lbs right now as well. If Texas can continue this trend and get a beefed up OL for our monster RBs to run behind....man.
Figures are from C. Ross's roster chart. 10 jrs, 20 sophs, 7 rsf, 22 fresh. of which 4 enrolled early. Total 59 25 commits = 84 one space open. plus any more attrition.
