PSU board is bracing for obliteration of program by MANY years of sanctions that would totally destroy PSU football... WOULD YOU PUT PSU on your schedule? should Deloss consider scheduling PSU???
Some are saying that the death penalty, i.e., a one year cessation of football, would be better than what is coming, which will likely be a skeletal football program that brings in significantly less revenue for other sports than has been the case in the past. It's somewhat surprising that no investigation is going to occur. I guess the Freeh report, which was powerful and damning, is seen as adequate cause for Emmert to bypass any investigation while going off the map in order to whack PSU.
I've read the key stories out now on ESPN and Yahoo (just go to their main sports sites and look at the article titles..). And watched Sports Center a few times.. Joe Shad (spell?) and Palmer commenting. I read a comment by Pat Forde at Yahoo, and disagree with is disagreement on how this is being handled. I predict it will go beyond the USC sanctions by enough to make it matter. I would predict it at least doubles what USC got or it's not that severe. USC lost not that many scholarships and only a 2-year bowl band, and three years later is in pre-season #1 position, so it has to double or triple those 'ship and bowl penalties. And/or add on something else. Quick note... Paterno's wife Sue is being quoted on ESPN saying that the removal of the statue is unfair in the sense that at least Sandusky got a fair hearing, a trial, a chance to question witnesses, and here the college President just decides to take down the statue based on the aftermath of the Freeh investigation. Well, damn... Sue. Don't you realize that your late husband Joe is only getting about the same unfair and unjust treatment all those young boys got for years. What kind of fairness did each young boy get at the mercy of Sandusky who your late husband defaulted to man up and do anything about? I'll therefore add predictions that wife Sue and son Jay will continue to make stupid public assessments like Sue just did. To think that the damn statue is coming down so unfairly -- not a damn word on the unfairness of a young lad in the hands of the power and influence of Sandusky, all on Joe's watch and with his awareness of what was and had been going on. Such ironies are beyond human grasp. I am all too glad that the statue removal and the way it was done at dawn on a Sunday, the day before the sanctions that will be done in a new way where the head of the NCAA just gets permission to slap Penn State up side the head, is all being done to get the point across squarely.... Sue and Jay ... that the late Joe Paterno was nothing that he was presented as being, and you two and the rest of your family and the Penn State family needs to get over those five states of death ... denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. You haven't even gotten part way through Stage One. You are expressing a little anger in Stage Two, but aren't yet bargaining due to overload of denial. The actions by the current President and the NCAA are designed to move the whole Penn State community to one day get to Stage Five and accept Coach Paterno for what he truly was and became in the late years of his reign of power, and maybe then you will think of those who suffered because of Paterno for what may be more than just 14 years. Quit thinking of yourself, and start thinking of others. Statues are for those who represent the latter. And quit denying the Freeh report. Those young boys didn't even have the benefit of the thoroughness of that report -- all they got was the slipshod carefree flippant attitude of your late husband and father and his cronies at the head of the University. Accept that. If you can.
A source from CNN reports that Penn State will recieve "significant, unprecedented" penalties, but not the death penalty.
SMU made their death penalty worse by putting recruiting restrictions on themselves. BU bounced back rather nicely from their death penalty.
Well said Hu Fan. I think that those around him and those who are blinded fans of Penn State will continue to think that he was treated unfairly, but I hope the rest of us who can be more objective will look at his legacy in a new light. Although Sandusky is the rel monster, JoePa's hand in this is enough to warrant that his legacy be forever ruined, not tarnished. His career and association with Penn State should be viewed as a disgrace. I hope the penalty if particularly harsh, not just for Penn State bu as a mesage to those at the helm of other universities that integrity mattters.
The punishment has to be severe enough to discourage other administrators from making the choices made by the PSU four. My guess at sanctions is the following: 3 year bowl ban, loss of at least 15-20 scholarships over those 3 years, all football players even incoming recruits allowed to transfer without penalty this year and next year, and something that puts the fear of God in academic administrators. I not sure if the NCAA can affect academic accreditation but if they can that is a lever that would make university presidents take notice. The sanctions have to reach beyond football and into the ivory towers of university administration to address the scope of what happened at PSU.
What I'm hoping for.... 5 year bowl ban 15 scholarships a year for 5 years...to total 75 scholarships. (making it basically equivalent to a full year death penalty on scholarships) 5 year ban on conference title 5 years probation on some kind of list of Watch-For's" Any athlete coming in this year and with any years left on scholarship can transfer and not lose eligibility. Any 2013 commits are released. I'd also make a stipulation that the Big Ten is allowed to decide on the future of Penn State in the Big Ten without penalties as far as the NCAA is concerned. That if the Big Ten wants to alter Penn State's membership, the NCAA is not an impediment to revenue contract re-negotiations, and opting out of any obligations NCAA-wise with Penn State. I'm in favor of kicking the university out of the Big Ten and letting them go forward as an Independent, as they were before.
Scholarship losses and bowl bans aren't that big a punishment. I think the "unprecedented" part will be the terms of probation.
I would hope for a 1 year post season ban against all programs at Penn State not just football. It shocks me at the bunker mentality they have and the idea that they are 'victims".
Goose, ESPN's documentary on SMU was a huge whitewash by a network that has made a living off of perfecting whitewashes from the athletic side. FWIW, it wasn't the crippling of the football program that hurt SMU as much as the effect in other areas, like a 75% drop in admission applications. Hu, well said, except that Joe Paterno hasn't changed much, if any, since he took over at State Penn. Joe Paterno was in it for Joe Paterno and did everything to benefit Joe Paterno. Ask any of the older coaches who worked for him. Sure he gave cash to the school and library, but it was State Penn's money he was giving them. Paterno made his career beating up on creampuffs, a list that would have made Tom Osborne envious. He remains the only HC to refuse to take his team to play for a National Championship; then he bitched and whined like a 9 yr old girl. As one of his longtime assistant's said, "Joe would throw his mother under the bus to benefit Joe".
SMU followed the death penalty .. which was for two years I think ... with some other actions to de-emphasize football, most pointedly they moved home games from the Cotton Bowl to a small on-campus stadium. This certainly hurt their exposure and recruiting for years.
There was a guy who covers Penn State and is an "insider" commenting about how they took the statue into Beaver Stadium. It is likely to remain there a couple of days and moved out in the middle of the night or something like that. Said he does not know where it will go to. Also said that the announcement tomorrow is likely agreed upon already by the University and that it is known to them already. That if it were really harsh PSU could fight it and drag it on, something they probably don't want to do. They want to get the penalty and start serving it and get this aspect of it behind them. That is why he feels they worked something out with the NCAA. Also, there is a by law in the NCAA charter or whatever it is that deems it possible for the NCAA to drop a school as a member, period, gone. I don't think this will happen but that has floated around some too as well as a ton of other things. No matter what it is there will be those who say it is too lenient, just right and too harsh. The Goldilocks of verdicts.
The sanctions better include some "vacated wins". Normally what I consider a worthless afterthought of a penalty in previous punishments, it would "hit 'em right where it hurt" in this instance.
I agree. A stripping of the all time wins from Paterno and the school is in order. What I don't like is that most of the talk is about Paterno and not Sandusky. His name is not mentioned all that much yet he's the biggest pile of crap. Sure, he's already been sentenced but we have the others still to go to trial. I sort of wanted their trials to be finished with facts out from them before the NCAA decided on what to do. And the most important part of this is the victims. Too bad there is not a way to let them put forth what they would like to see done.
The images of football players were also removed with the statue. That area should be quickly rebuilt, all new mason and design. If they do in fact strip wins with all the rest being piled up, it will in effect... castrate. Fitting. Clean all that up and then up the focus on the victims and start a program for that in earnest. I like the news about the potential $30 million fine.
re: a fine? What would the NCAA do with the money? re: what should happen. If reports are correct that there would be no death penatly, I would suggest: 1. a 14 year ban on bowl, Big ten championship, and playoff games. 2. lose 14 scholarships a year for the next 14 years. Why 14? the number of years the abuse happened and was covered up.
So far this morning, Mike & Mike not getting it. Constantly questioning NCAA's role in punishments and why football-related, etc. The reason, Mike, is that (a) tied to one of their top all-time coaches, (b) at the facilities, (c) repeatedly, (d) was covered up by the head coach and top officials [institutional control], and (e) had it gotten out... listen up... would have impacted their recruiting, gotten Paterno fired/retired early, and wrecked the status of their football program and university good name. What's not to grasp that it had to do with championships and competition which is what the NCAA regulates by it's rules. This just happened to have been a rather unwritten rule like the others I've posted.... too idiotic to list here again. Bottom line... the football program benefitted by the hush up. Get another job if you can't see even part of that.
It seems the people at PSU still don't get it. "I am completely in the dark," said Anthony Lubrano, a newly elected Penn State board of trustee member. "I am so frustrated as a trustee. It is really disheartening. I am hearing the same things the (media) are. "It is unforgiveable that Mark Emmert feels he needs to make an example, if what is being reported (is accurate). Joe Paterno is not responsible for pedophilia in America. Louis Freeh reached an (erroneous) conclusion." USA Today Story
i look at this as a balance of process and outcomes. i dont think there are any outcomes, save from getting rid of the football program, that would truly reflect the level of what penn state did...so to that end whatever the NCAA doles out is certainly appropriate. but from the process perspective, the NCAA is a governing body, which means that they are in some sense responsible for having some level of due process regarding these kinds of punishments. in my mind the NCAA should have done their own investigations and come up with their own conclusions instead of relying on an external report by which to make the decisions. they should have put in the legwork, and they didnt. but then on the flip side, i heard this morning that penn state adopted the freeh report as their own, so i suppose it's like penn state has self reported their violations. just trying to think about this from a process perspective. not saying that the NCAA doesnt have the right/responsibility to dole out sanctions...but how they go about doing it is important. anyhoo, listened to the presser this morning and it looks like the sanctions include 60 mil in fines, 4 years no bowls, lessening of scholarships to 15 among others.
Penalties announced by NCAA The loss of twenty scholarships a year for four years. I guess that means they will be playing with a lot of walkons. That is going to get ugly.
