Land thieves would have had 120 yards in personal fouls on the horns down alone, so yup, a lot of points for something as stupid as a guns down/horns down
I used to think who cares. but honestly, if the idea is to mock or intimidate your opponent, then how does a horns down not mock us?
How about the tech players taunting the hurt Horn after that block? How in the hell does that not draw a flag?
How about Mack Brown telling his team to drop all of the theatrics ******** and quit hurting the team like a dumbass. How hard would it be to coach that stupid nonsense out of your team. This is consistent with the undisciplined nature of many of Mack's teams.
Funny this should come up and get so many responses. My 11 year old grandson asked same and I explained that Horns down is so common that refs don't recognize it as derisive. We're treated differently for being successful.
Exactly. Davis' theatrics deserved a penalty, but where is the same penalty for all the Horns' down gestures-it's BS.
In the Missouri vs Florida game yesterday when Missouri scored what turned out to be their only TD in a 14-7 loss I saw at least two Missouri players face the crowd and do that gator chomp thing. No flag was thrown. Either call the taunting penalty all the time or not at all. I would vote for call it all the time. The phrase" act like you have been there before comes to mind". If after scoring a touchdown the first thing that comes to mind is taunting the other team or the crowd instead of celebrating with your team then your priorerties need adjusting.
i'm fine either way. just be consistent. i love people giving us the horns down. just don't call us for shooting blanks through our fingers.
To the officiating yesterday, I invite you to consider who the referee was. Reggie Smith started officiating youth league games in Philadelphia in 1999 as a senior in high school. After 4-5 years he moved to high school games in Western Pennsylvania, finally working up to small college games (California College in Pennsylvania, etc) in about 2008. What qualifies this guy to be a Big XII official at any position, especially referee? The "career maker" Walt Anderson. Anderson was never good enough to do SWC games, but Donnie Duncan chose him as head of Big XII officials over Ken. Why? If you know Duncan, you can draw your own conclusions. Anderson has the Big XII, even when it had 3-5 teams in the Top 15, sharing officials with the Big Sky, WAC, and MWC. WHY? The 45-35 OU game and subsequent Tech loss at Lubbock had Scott Novak as referee, when he had NEVER been referee in a major game. Prospectively the biggest game of the year in college football, and Anderson assigns a dentist from Colorado Springs and WAC official to run the game. I hope Tuberville raises so much hell with Dallas that they replace Anderson. As I told him one on one, "I hope you're a lot better at filling teeth than picking football officials". As for the Mizzou situation in Gainesville, the SEC has REAL officials that they don't share with any other conference.
so Davis gets 15 yards for his "antics" and Tubberville can go out into the middle of the field and throw a temper tantrum, including throwing his clipboard down, and he gets nothing....the rules kind of perplex me
I just hope someone sends a letter to Big 12 officiating crew, asking why every team in our conference can do the hook em horns down sign and not get a taunting penalty for that?
Scotty, No letter to email sent to the conference office will receive anything other than an obnoxious "you don't have a clue" response from Walt "what qualifies you to challenge my decision" Anderson. Why the hell do we share officials with the Big Sky, WAC, and MWC?
I've seen the gator chomp a number of times as well with no call. It would be nice to get the same treatment across the board but it's not going to happen. As for the complaint about this somehow being typical of Mack's program, that's just idiotic. I can think of maybe two other times where we've been called for taunting, and both of them were for diving into the end zone (one of which was on Quan Cosby and was one of the worst calls I've ever seen considering he was actually diving to get into the end zone ahead of a defender).
Mack Brown is currently getting reamed by tons of people on twitter, because he responded to a question about Mike Davis' guns personal foul by saying the Horns Down should be treated the same way. People are leaving out all context, as people do. So Mack sounds like he's whining and suggesting that fans doing the horns down is a problem, when he was clearly talking about players on the field. I'm not especially happy with Mack Brown this year, but the people on twitter are really annoying. I remember Roy Williams getting a 15 yard penalty for doing the hook 'em (as in, horns up) after a touchdown. It really does need to be called consistently.
See the Mike Davis Davis antics here at about the 2:12 mark. The Link No need for it, but it should be called the same way all the time.
so, i suppose we are left to gather from this thread that unless the officials are not handing out phantom touchdowns to the university of texas as they did in stillwater, the game is just not being called right.
You know for sure what actually happened on a play that didn't have a single conclusive camera angle? Impressive.
