UT's checkmate move over aTm

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by Universal, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. aggierogue

    aggierogue < 25 Posts

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  2. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    Hey look, it's aggierogue, the guy who had vanished for over a year now. They guy who last posted before the last meeting and was silent in obsession this whole time. It's a shame you hate and envy the Horns more than you enjoy your own team. Your posts prove it.

    If you have children I pity them for we know things about you no man or Aggie would be proud to admit. Yet with each post the glaring truth becomes evident.

    YOU LOVE YOU SOME LONGHORN. And you cowardly post. Or is it post cowardly?

    It is hard to give your posts any respect with no respect for the ahem, man. Shame on you sir and shame on any Aggie doing this. Have some self respect.

    Wanna take a second to give props again to the Aggies that remained over the past year to contribute and even stand up for their team with thoughtful insight and information. They have taken some lumps in the process too. Horns on TexAgs probably do too. I don't know since I don't have an account there. Never will.

    SHAME on you.
     
  3. agssuk

    agssuk 1,000+ Posts


     
  4. Bluff Horn

    Bluff Horn 250+ Posts

    Texas to the SEC? Weak. No way, no how.

    We just nee to start winning BCS games again. And then get into the four team playoff with regularity.

    The aggie glow will soon fade. It always does.
     
  5. Mr. Fiesta

    Mr. Fiesta 1,000+ Posts


     
  6. Mr. Fiesta

    Mr. Fiesta 1,000+ Posts


     
  7. Hookem123

    Hookem123 1,000+ Posts


     
  8. JJxvi

    JJxvi 100+ Posts

    There doesn't need to be a voting bloc (blocking bloc?). It doesn't make sense for the SEC to add Texas to even bring it up for a vote. Texas brings a bit of marketability for the national TV deals just because they will bring big games, but from a tier 2/3 conference network standpoint, they bring little that the SEC doesnt already gain by just having a footprint in Texas with Texas A&M. That even assumes that Texas drops its own Network and agrees to play ball with the SEC network, otherwise it is a worthless addition to consider no matter what.

    SEC will add schools from states outside the footprint, and probably 2 schools from 2 different states unless they need to make a package deal like Duke-UNC (which would be a plum to the network rights package also with basketball)
     
  9. Universal

    Universal 25+ Posts

    I just realized that I haven't fully explained the risky situation in which we have put ourselves regarding OU. When the realignment issues were brewing a few years ago, it was clear that UT was the key decision maker in terms of affecting the membership of virtually every conference...whatever we decided was going to determine how the dominos fell. I'm sure the power trip was crack to Dodds at the time.

    Once we decided to stay in the Big 12 with the LHN, the power shifted back to the SEC, Big 10 and Pac to decide who they would pick off. You saw that with the SEC taking aTm and Mizzou and the Big 10 taking Syracuse and Pitt. OU flirted with the Pac but was told no unless UT came along. I don't believe realignment is over, and I think the Big 10 and SEC will both take 2 more teams.

    This is where we have ceded control to OU...if they change their mind about the SEC and make a play to join...this is their checkmate move on UT. Just imagine if OU and aTm were in the SEC and we weren't...that is the most frightening thing I can imagine as a UT fan. Now that OU is seeing the effects of their decision (aTm has hammered their recruiting in Houston, lousy games to attend), they might wake up and realize they blew a huge opportunity and decide to stick it to UT and make a play to join the SEC. Dodds wants the status quo, but he ceded the power to OU to determine our ultimate fate all over a delusional expectation that the LHN was going to be a monster.

    Dodds isn't stupid, I think he realizes this, but he thinks that we'll still have good options of going independent, joining the Pac or the Big 10 or cobbling a patchwork Big 12 / ACC together. Again, ok, but not optimal options, each for its own reasons. This is why I think a large portion of our fan base needs to reconsider its position on the SEC. Joining with OU would give us the best of all worlds...traditional rivalries, great home games EVERY WEEK, more money than what we can make in the Big 12 (just wait until the economics of the SEC Network and new first tier SEC tv contracts come out...it will blow our doors), and we checkmate the Ags in the process...WHAT IS NOT TO LIKE??????
     
  10. Hook 'Em Danno

    Hook 'Em Danno 1,000+ Posts


     
  11. Trusted Insider

    Trusted Insider 1,000+ Posts


     
  12. aggressor

    aggressor 100+ Posts


     
  13. Universal

    Universal 25+ Posts

    Aggressor:

    I agree, that scenario would improve the fan experience somewhat and is something Dodds has thought about...he has always wanted ND, and the Big 10 and SEC will fill their spots most likely with ACC teams. It requires OU to insist on keeping OSU on their hip no matter what...again, likely, but you never know when money and ego are on the line. And, it requires ND to come aboard. It is a hodgepodge conference, and I don't think it is the best overall result (we'll agree to disagree). At this point, I'll take anything over the crap we've been dealt, but you can't blame a guy for wanting the best. Until the SEC fills it's last two spots, I still say anything is possible...when the SEC announces the final two additions without UT in the fold, then I'll officially raise the white flag!
     
  14. aggressor

    aggressor 100+ Posts

    Fair enough but I just don't see the SEC as realistic anymore or really a fit for Texas even if it was. Expanding the Big 12 the way I suggested would allow for you to have a legit national conference that you could work with the "pod" scheduling to keep your heavy travel down. Lots of intriguing matchups and lots of potential TV revenue.

    Also important to note is the politics are much more favorable. Keeping the Big 12 together allows Texas to be the hero that built the Big 12 instead of the villain that blew it up and left TCU, Baylor, and Tech to the abyss. It also puts Texas in a position with OU to maintain control of the conference for the most part (though ND is a tricky situation). Even if Texas somehow got in the SEC their power would be greatly diminished as just one of many voices and a new voice at that.

    Also don't forget that Texas signed away its TV rights for the next 13 years to the Big 12. Getting those back to leave for another conference is not going to just magically happen. I haven't seen how that contract was written but I imagine the penalties for exiting it are huge if possible at all.

    In the end though we can probably agree that the status quo of staying pat with 10 teams and the individual network model is a foolish one and Texas needs to do something. I think the needs of all parties would be best served with A&M and Texas in separate conferences that are both powerful.
     
  15. RDGP65

    RDGP65 25+ Posts

    Back up and catch a breath. Many of these long winded posters sound like a flunkout freshman English class paper. Where do these posters get their gread knowkedge? Keep it to a paragraph. BTW aggies have theeir own board.
     
  16. Texdoc

    Texdoc 500+ Posts

    aggy finishes behind fla, bama, ga, & lsu. 5th in their conference.
    Same ol same ol.............
    Oh, but they didn't lose to Texas this year so they are on top of the world!!!

    HOOK 'EM,
    Texdoc [​IMG]
     
  17. jmtamu

    jmtamu 250+ Posts

    Yep. Top 5 finish. Same ole **** for the Ags. [​IMG]
     
  18. HMFIC

    HMFIC 100+ Posts

    Right now, these conference cable networks are the Arms Races in CFB. Whichever conference controls the most has the biggest say on the direction of the game.

    Realignment may have been put on hold, but the SEC TV Network is a major shoe to drop for all parties involved. Universities are going to want to be a part of it, or develop something similar.
     
  19. HighPlainsBevo

    HighPlainsBevo 250+ Posts


     
  20. Texdoc

    Texdoc 500+ Posts

    Roll your eyes all you want jm, but the numbers don't lie.
    Of course you enjoy the hype & because some journalists vote for you in a poll.
    Congrats, very impressive.
    OTOH, a year in which you were never in contention for the conference crown ain't anything new.

    HOOK 'EM,
    Texdoc [​IMG]
     
  21. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    Texdoc, you are way out of line. The Ags have many top 5 finishes in their history, even if soiled by prolific cheating. They are acting like they have been here before because they have, many times.

    Surely they are not acting out now like they are because they fear this won't be happening much more in their future.
     
  22. Seattle4UT

    Seattle4UT 1,000+ Posts

    C'mon fellow Horns, lets give the Ags their kudos on a great season. Let's move on and hope the Alamo Bowl win means great things to come in 2013! [​IMG]
     
  23. geode

    geode 100+ Posts

    Don't post much, but this is the stupidest thread ever!!!!!!!
     
  24. tamster

    tamster 500+ Posts

    just going to jump in this thread even though it's 100+ posts-old...I agree that that would be a great option to be a part of the SEC if that were possible. However, I'm not sure if that qualifies as a "checkmate." because aggy still did it first, us following suit would signify to them that they checkmated us and we had no option but to surrender (the king).

    however, a true checkmate would be to join the Big 10 with OU and KU (again speaking in hypotheticals). From a money and academic standpoint, the B1G is the big cheese (the schools make reportedly 40 million from tv rights a year when the big 10 network money is included). Again, there are many issues with that plan (LHN, geography, lack of rivalries, etc), but if the B1G added KU, OU, and UT, that would flank the SEC and capture many big TV markets (chicago, milwaukee, indianapolis, texas/dfw/houston/austin/san antonio, st. louis/kansas city, philly, pittsburgh, dc, nj/nyc, etc). By blocking any further westward expansion of the SEC with addition of ku/ou/ut (probably wasn't going to happen anyway) and any further northern expansion with the recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland, all the SEC would be able to go after would be ACC basketball schools if they were to expand in the future.

    KU is an AAU school with a rich basketball history that fits the Big 10 mold. OU, while not quite an AAU school, reportedly has the 2nd most national merit scholars in the country after Harvard (reference?) and a rich football history. Let's face it, academically UT is no Berkeley/UCLA, but it can more than hold it's own compared to the schools of the B1G in terms of academics and surpasses many of them in terms of athletics.

    The B1G commissioner has stated that that they prefer contiguous states in their conference, so the only way we could go to B1G is if OU and KU come as well. This would be put B1G at 17 schools--so this would be unbalanced from their standpoint. It would also leave the door open for Notre Dame joining if they ever decide to stop being an independent (unlikely).

    Anyway, flame away, but look at a map because it makes some sense. I would much rather fly to Chicago or Madison than Morgantown, Manhattan (kansas), or Ames. In addition, selfishly, I could drive to PSU, Maryland, or Rutgers to watch the Horns if they played out out this way [​IMG]
     
  25. Hook 'Em Danno

    Hook 'Em Danno 1,000+ Posts

    I've received emails from several aggy friends discussing this very thread--and enjoying every minute of it. The best way to deal with aggy is to ignore aggy. That is all.
     
  26. Hornedout9182

    Hornedout9182 < 25 Posts

    Unless the Big 12 can add FSU and Clemson(along with possibly other ACC schools like Miami) I'd like to go to the SEC. I think that the whole conference academic stuff is stupid, although you do need to keep in mind that university presidents are the ones making conference decisions. However, I do not think UT's academic ranking would slip from being associated with Mississippi State- and that's not to mention that the SEC now has better academics than the Big 12 anyway. If we and OU join the SEC we should go to a 4 pod system, in which there are 4 pods of 4 teams each. Each team plays all 3 pod members and 2 from the other 3 pods for a total of 9 conference games. At the end of the year, the 2 pod champions with the best conference record play in the conference championship game.
     
  27. Hornedout9182

    Hornedout9182 < 25 Posts

    Aggresor's 16 team Big 12 idea seems plenty appealing to me(if we can get that conference then I'd be all for staying in the Big 12 rather than going to the PAC or SEC), but my only question is why would we want a financial leech like Georgia Tech, which doesn't even control the tv market on the Georgia Tech campus(forget about not controlling the Atlanta tv market). We already have Iowa State locked into the Big 12 from the Big 8 days(of course, ISU was added 100 years ago when no one cared about tv revenue and ISU would never get into the Big 12 today), but why add another revenue leech like GT to the mix? The Big 12 better not make stupid moves like the BIG adding Maryland and Rutgers(and the idea of those teams adding D.C and NYC is a joke, as I can tell you based on visiting D.C. and NYC the last 2 summers.)
     
  28. Rio Frio

    Rio Frio 250+ Posts

    UT wouldn't receive the required membership vote from the sitting institutions.

    From the SEC Constitution:

     
  29. Universal

    Universal 25+ Posts

    Conference realignment always comes back to money. Most reports indicate the Big 12 distributed more money per school than the other conferences; however, that is the past. As the SEC network gets established, their per school take will increase...it may take a few years, but they will reach Big 10 type payouts in the future. I also find it hard to believe that future 1st and 2nd tier Big 12 contracts will keep up with the other major conferences in the future...we don't have the eyeballs.

    Lastly, but most importantly, what does ESPN want to do with the LHN? UT will get its money for the existing contract, but who knows if the network will ever meet expectations. ESPN owns the network, so they can make changes if they want (subject to not breaching the existing deal). ESPN really drives the process for UT in conference affiliation...without the LHN, we would already be in the PAC 16. ESPN is the 800 pound gorilla, and they will influence UT. If they keep the network and keep paying UT, then the Big 12 survives with or without expansion as long as OU doesn't bolt. If that's the case, then get used to a crappy conference schedule EVERY YEAR, with only the OU game and one nonconference game of significance each year. Also, be prepared for a very hard fight from aTm for recruits, especially in Houston and East Texas.

    If ESPN reconsiders the LHN, then any conference scenario is in play, including the SEC. It is a long shot at best since both UT would have to want to apply (very unlikely at this point) and the SEC would have to vote us in (need 11 out of 14 votes). ESPN could roll the LHN into the SEC network (which is an ESPN channel) and influence Slive to add us. It's clearly a low probability, but money drives all decisions, so anything is possible.
     
  30. agssuk

    agssuk 1,000+ Posts

    What about the GOR? Is there an "out" to this. I sure hope so.
     

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