Batleground Texas, a dem org committed to turning Texas blue is sinking to new illegal lows to try to get it done. Battleground goes out to register people to vote, a worthy endeavor and then they copy the person's name address and phone number off the registration, ILLEGAL so they can call them again I hope the TX SOS forces them to delele all the illegals info and quickly before BT has a chance to archiveThe Link This is some good community organizing
Yeah, well that's the same party that makes the absurd statement that requiring voter ID is equal to disenfranchising minority voters. Dems have become the party for the crybabies of society.
Going out of your way to register voters is no longer a noble effort - it is simply a tactic to get your candidate elected.
accurate If this latest act by Battleground Texas doesn't fit the definition of voter fraud like the other acts they've committed is that the most important thing about this information to you? That I used the term 'voter fraud". when I should have used breaking the law? Really? That bothers you more than what BT did? Do you have any thought on what is an apparent violation of Texas law? Or perhaps you think this vid was cleverly edited to distort the pure legal intentions of BT?
Seems pretty easy to get around if what they are doing is illegal. Just provide them with two cards to fill out. One for you and one registration card to turn in.
NJ I can't decide which makes you look sillier; the admission that you didn't watch the entire video so therefore aren't " convinced Texas elections laws prohibit copying a telephone number provided on an application OR that you didn't take the time to actually find out if that is against the Texas Election Codes before you posted what you must have thought was cute If the NJ in your name means New Jersey I bet it is against New Jersey's codes as well. since you were too lazy or in a hurry to post what you thought was a snark here is Texas Election Codes. I bet you can find out if My putting Illegal in caps really means it is illegal The Link
Speaking of Battleground Texas, if they were to achieve their goal and "turn Texas blue" what does that look like? What does the vision of Texas look like in a Democrat's (or liberal's) mind? Is it all about social issues (abortion, gay marriage), entitlements, and environment? Or is it about eliminating the thorn in Obama's side since many of these volunteers are from his campaign team?
lj: it means funding education at a level that will raise the boat; at the University level, it means making UT affordable to people in the same shape I was in when I registered for $81 IN 1969. Most of the parttime and summer jobs I did then are now taken by illegal aliens and so now you see enormous numbers of students in cars mommy and daddy bought them whereas back then most students didn't even have cars. Letting the light in the loafers crowd make the descent into matrimony is of no concern to me and I don't care if teenage girls get abortions. When I look at the teenagers in the grocery stores with their kids, I wish more of them would get them.
Mich well it is now being investigated so we will find out. here is what a spokesperson for the SOS office said "According to Berry( who is the SOS) spokesman Jeff Hillery, the "volunteer deputy registrars" who sign up voters for groups like Battleground Texas are subject to the same criminal liability that applies to county officials. A violation of that statute is considered misdemeanor “official misconduct” and is punishable by a fine of up to $1,000, jail time of up to six months or both, the law says. Hillery said phone numbers on voter registration applications are treated as confidential information." Another spokesperson for the SOS pointed out the law speaks for itself and further the video also speaks for itself. It is up to the AG office to investigate. Ok let's say NJ didn't want to go through the video to find out if there is anything in the Texas election code that covers what they did then why bother commenting at all? Michigan like NJ likely has the same restriction.
Mich You noted, 'Speaking of being silly, are you sure you are correctly interpreting the election law that you posted" This may disappoint you but the people at battleground Texas were, according to the BgTx website , volunteer deputy registrars and this is from Bexar country elections dept. "Volunteer Deputy Registrars are entrusted with the responsibility of officially registering voters in the State of Texas. They are appointed by county voter registrars and charged with helping increase voter registration in the state."The Link Again it is now up to the AG office and in the and you may be right. What do you think?
Mich how do you interpret this( from my link above to Texas election codes) 'Sec. 13.004. RECORDING AND DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION BY REGISTRAR. (a) The registrar may not transcribe, copy, or otherwise record a telephone number furnished on a registration application.
Horns6721, After watching 2:30 of the video, I had heard what I thought was the complete "legal argument", because O'Keefe had moved on to other topics. I didn't feel it was necessary to watch the rest, but I did put the caveat in just in case I was wrong. You motivated me to be more thorough, and it turns out I'm not wrong. I looked at the statute on Westlaw, and the annotations included the following:
So a deputized volunteer registrar is not subject to the same adherence to the election code as a " real registrar? It is hard to believe deputized registrars don't have to follow election codes but I guess anything is possible Then if won't take long for this to be settled.
The "voluntary deputy registrar" argument is an interesting one. It is arguable, but far from clear, that a VDR would be subject to the same rules as the registrar him/her self. I still think the better argument is that the statute doesn't apply to them, but I can see both sides. That said, no matter how it is interpreted, the statute makes no sense as it is written. The application is a non-confidential public record and is subject to being disclosed to any Tom, Dick or Harry who wants it. That includes the phone numbers. So what does it mean to say that the registrar cannot "transcribe, copy, or otherwise record" it??? Perhaps that just means that the phone number cannot be recorded onto the official voter-registration rolls, but remains part of the public record?
NJ I am not a lawyer and don't stay at Holiday Inn Express so help me out here You said ' The application is a non-confidential public record and is subject to being disclosed to any Tom, Dick or Harry who wants it" But who would disclose the information? The code also states 'The following information furnished on a registration application is confidential and does not constitute public information for purposes of Chapter 552, Government Code: (1) a social security number; (2) a Texas driver's license number; (3) a number of a personal identification card issued by the Department of Public Safety; (4) an indication that an applicant is interested in working as an election judge; or (5) the residence address of the applicant, if the applicant is a federal judge or state " since the copying etc of telephone number was prohibited to registrars in sec a it looks like the only information any T D or H could get is name and address unless it is a judge so it comes down to whether a Deputy Volunteer Registrar comes under the same rules as a registrar The Texas SoS office and several county election commissioners or county voter registrars including Travis county feel that prohibition applies to voluntary deputy voter registrars who are trained and certified by the registrars in their respective counties. It is hard to believe that the state would deputize and train volunteer registrars yet not require them to follow the same rules.
I get confused. The code clearly says: Sec. 13.004. RECORDING AND DISCLOSURE OF CERTAIN INFORMATION BY REGISTRAR. (a) The registrar may not transcribe, copy, or otherwise record a telephone number furnished on a registration application." so if the deputy volunteer registrars are prohibited like all registrars then wouldn't the registrars for BgTx be violating the code? and IIRC in Texas telephone numbers are redacted on voter registration information made public anyway so I guess we are back to whether duly deputized volunteer registrars must follow the election codes.
So clearly registering voters and calling them later to try to talk them into actually voting is not voter fraud. And the act of recording the phone numbers may or may not be a minor violation of election code. But passing a "voter ID" law to suppress thousands of voters is not voter fraud, and defining corporations as "people" to influence elections is not voter fraud. Did I get that right? Some people want others to vote, some don't want anyone but their hand-picked like-minded elites to vote.
accurate That is a good attempt at spin. I see you got your talking points the issue is that the deputized registrars violated the election code rules. on top of that after data mining information illegally when they call they aren't just giving a friendly reminder to vote they are campaigning for a particular candidate
Speaking of getting your talking points....you wrote "the issue is that the deputized registrars violated the election code rules." You don't know whether the election rules were violated. The law seems to be vague on that and somebody (e.g., a judge) will make that determination.
Mich You are correct. I looked at the video and read the text of the vid and while the deputy registrar does say it is important to data mine the phone numbers etc off the registration forms to be used later to call the registered voters. everyone should be presumed to be innocent until found guilty I should have said the issue 'seems to be"
