on the bright side....

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by TEXnSEATTLE, Sep 15, 2014.

  1. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    The talent was good enough to win 8 or more games the past three seasons. I do not know about the offensive linemen but i bet more than one of those defensive players gets drafted.
     
  2. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts

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  3. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  4. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  5. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I could give a long response like i normally do but i will cut to the chase:

    Would you feel better about your Sooners' chances against a Mack Brown coached Texas team or a Charlie Strong coached Texas team?

    Would you feel better about Bob Stoops recruiting against Mack Brown or recruiting against Charlie Strong?
     
  6. Htown77

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  7. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I am surprised that draft picks are an acceptable indicator of actual value but recruiting rankings are not.
     
  8. VYFan

    VYFan 2,500+ Posts

    HTown, it seems that the Okie is getting the better of you.

    The draft is a decent prediction of how a player will do in his rookie year in the NFL or NBA but not an acccurate description of the player once you know how good he actually is at the next level. You wouldn't evaluate a basketball team that had Greg Oden as its best player as a high-talent NBA team, but you would say that the team with Kevin Durant had talent. The years in between, and the track record, make a lot of difference.

    We have talent on the field, and talent enough on a given day (which would take unusual circumstances on lots of Saturdays) to beat any particular team on our schedule, but nowhere near enough talent to beat all the teams on our schedule--as in run the table, if that's what you meant.
     
  9. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    This makes me sick, but I have to agree with the Sooner. Htown, it seems like you just have an agenda.

    Can you even take yourself seriously when you ask about who the Sooners would rather face, Mack or Strong?

    You prop up the .4 winning percentage like its something, but the record is only the half of it. The 7 TD *** beatings, where Bob Stoops would ritually remove Mack's still beating heart with a dull knife, and eat it right in front of his unbelieving eyes.... OF COURSE they would rather face Mack... And that's not to say Strong will fare any better. But if I am a Sooner I know I would rather face the known quantity. Of the 6 wins Mack had against Stoops, we were favored in all but 1, maybe two. How many times were we favored and lost?

    If you're agenda is to defend Mack's honor, stop. It only incites people like me who actually have a soft spot for Mack, believe it or not, to say the kind of things I just said.
     
  10. Htown77

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  11. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    On the recruiting classes, the only time Stoops won a national title was with top tier John Blake recruiting classes. Maybe Stoops' failure to win another national title is due to this failure to have consistent top 5 recruiting classes.... that and the shutdown of Big Red Motors. [​IMG]
     
  12. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  13. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts


     
  14. Texas Taps

    Texas Taps 5,000+ Posts


     
  15. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Stoops coached up Blake's players, but leave no doubt it was Blake's top recruiting classes that got Stoops his only NC. Stoops and Brown have the same number of NC, one.
    Recruiting will determine National Championships. You can talk about Stoops' three star coached up players, but he hasn't won a NC with them and neither will any other coach that goes the "coach em up" route.
    There would have been a good chance Brown evened up the series with Stoops by 2020. We will never know.

    On the bright side, Strong has the opportunity to start his series with Stoops with a win on October 11. Stop your hand wringing, we have the talent to beat OU in spite of Watson's offense. Who knows, by Oct 11, Ol' Watson may just have three down field pass plays for Ty.
     
  16. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  17. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  18. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    What counts is NC. They are even. Everything else is secondary. Stoops won his with a roster of key recruits Blake left him, Mack won his with his own recruits.
    Stoops/Blake1- Mack 1

    Mack's NC all his, Stoops NC not so much.
     
  19. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts

    Yeah, I thought so.

    Since you guys have all but veered into bizarro world, I'll try to reel you back in. See, we give more credit to coaches who take undisciplined and untested players from a former perennially losing coaching staff, get them to understand and believe in new principles, and win a lot of games, including a national championship, with those players. Like Stoops did with the 2000 Sooners.

    On the other hand, we give less credit to coaches who take an NCAA roster filled with future NFL talent from top to bottom, including one of the greatest college players of all time, and doing what a number of other coaches could have done and win with that roster. Like Switzer with the Cowboys. Or Eric Spoelstra and the Heat. Or Mack with Vince Young.
     
  20. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I reread Htwn77/LIve in OK

    He called Live in OK unreasonable because he took opposite sides in his own debate. Strong's team injuries are used as an excuse, but Mack's team injuries made no difference. One is reasonable and one is not?.
    Mack faced OU with Case, Strong will face OU with Ty. Strong's loss is worse? Give me a break.

    I don't think Strong or thisTexas team needs excuses and will beat OU .
     
  21. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  22. Texas Taps

    Texas Taps 5,000+ Posts

    Which team from the Big XII was last to take home the crystal football and the last to appear in the BCS Championship game?
     
  23. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    It is not "reasonable" to believe this team is not as talented as last year's team because of attrition before the fourth game, and by that you infer last year's team had no attrition prior to kicking OU to the curb ? Like starting qb?
    You will find out on Oct 11 that talent will take over this game despite the coaching. Hopefully we can bump this thread at that time.
     
  24. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts

    And OU didn't have its QB, the Sugar Bowl MVP, at full health, either. So what?

    What were the UT attrition status in 2010? 2011? 2012? What were the excuses then, and are they even comparable to 2014?

    In what areas are UT better than OU right now in talent and depth? QB? No. RB? No. WR? No. OL? No. Special teams? No. Defensive line? No. Linebacker? No. Defensive back? No. If you disagree, then give me specifics. Don't hide behind a general response.


     
  25. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts


     
  26. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Which coach has never won a NC with a roster of players he recruited?
     
  27. I_Live_In_OK

    I_Live_In_OK 500+ Posts

    That's what I thought.

    You have not, and cannot, give me one straight answer to any of my questions. You dodge and deflect. Mack's not coming back, man. The guy killed his legacy, and that's going to be the final chapter.

    I am running circles around you, 77, and taps (but he's more of a "nolo contendere"). It's been fun.
     
  28. Texas Taps

    Texas Taps 5,000+ Posts

    Who could never win **** without Texans? [​IMG]

    Bye *****
     
  29. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I did not want to repost Htwn's post of Texas roster talent.
    Texas has better rbs, qb even ( Knight has a better offense, not better passing skills), OL - OU (this could change with suspended players returning and the usual OU injuries) Wr even( again, Ou has a better offense, not better talent - return of Daje moves it into the Texas column), DL - even, LB - OU, secondary - Texas.
    special teams - OU.
    Texas takes this game in spite of Watson offense, Texas front seven shuts down the running game, Texas secondary gets the interceptions from Knight.
    But leave no doubt , OU is not the far superior team Live in OKC espouses them to be.
     
  30. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    We have had numerous significant injuries each of the past 4 seasons. It has been a recurring problem. There have been articles the past few years about "what can Texas do to avoid injuries?" 2010 our defense lost a lot of players in the Nebraska and Iowa State games. It was probably the biggest factor in us going from losing to OU 20-28, beating nebraska 20-13, then losing 4 straight to teams worse than ou and nebraska and giving up 28 or more in each of those games. The injuries continued each of the past 3 seasons. Texas fans are aware. There is a reason TEXAS fans have not argued injuries for Charlie Strong. They know that was not an acceptable excuse for Mack. It is a free country. Feel free to believe whatever if you wish. If you want to believe Texas had not suffered significant injuries and attrition each of the past 4 seasons, go for it.

    Fact still stands, Mack managed to take a Texas team that suffered attrition last year and with case mccoy and "average receivers" (they really are quite good) managed through superior coaching/play calling to light up the OU secondary. Mack had won 5 of the last 9. Texas was the underdog in 6 of those last 9 games. We'll never know what would have happened, but the trend was clearly in Mack Brown's favor to pass Stoops by 2020.
     

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