President H. Clinton

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by huisache, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Proposition: I don't think she is likely to run or win if she does.

    Not run: I think there are several factors at work: she is totally dependent on her husband when times get tough and from looking at him lately, I don't know he will be around in two years. She will be 69 years old when she takes the oath if she wins. That is old, real old. I am a month older than her and nobody our age should be president. The brain atrophies and she is already showing signs of it. Remember Reagan?

    Her health is not good. She has had a few scares herself in the last year or two. The stress associated with aging is not easily understood by younger people but is a fact and she has never been good at handling stress. Read any good account of the 2008 campaign and you will see she pretty much fell apart after her inevitability evaporated.

    Another factor: she blew a big lead last time because she is a cruddy candidate. Watch one of her performances and then read a transcript. She is so cautious about messing up that she says nothing, which is useful when preaching to your flock but worthless and counter productive when talking to people you need to convert.

    A dark horse, even one with little to say, like Obama was last time, can give her a hard time.

    Scandals: she is so in bed with Wall Street and other givers of vast amounts of campaign funds that there have got to be some out there and Gotcha is journalism's golden fleece now. Perry and Abbott would be in deep as a result of the scandal associated with the discretionary funding pool if we did not have such a supine press in Texas. That is not the case nationally.

    Her best bet is if nobody in the party runs and the GOP nominates one of its many insane would be presidents.
     
  2. cmtsip

    cmtsip 500+ Posts

    Oh..... this is going to be fun!!!


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  3. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I think she'll run and lose. Nobody else on the left wants to jump in because they know it's a losing proposition. The White House has become a pendulum. The fact that it's been in the hands of the Democrats for 8yrs means that the the voting population will hold their nose and hand it to the Republicans simply as an alternative to the Democrats. Clint, Bush Jr. and Obama swept in on similar movements.

    The only chance for a Democrat to win is if the Tea Party manages to get one of their own nominated.

    This is also why the Republicans are falling over each other to get the opportunity to be the party nominee. Whomever wins is a virtual certainty to be in the White House.
     
  4. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

    Bill has great advice for Hillary on the Economy:

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  5. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I've been thinking the same thing and almost started a thread on it. In political discourse, there is an inevitability to her candidacy and success both in the Democratic nomination process and in the general election, and personally, I think the Empress has no clothes or at best, a thong and a demicup.

    She has won election to one post (US Senate) in one of the most lopsidedly-Democratic states in the country, and she had no meaningful opposition in the Democratic primary. I'm not diminishing the challenges of winning an election in a media-heavy state like New York, but a Democrat winning there is not any indication of what he or she could do nationally.

    She ran for President in 2008 and lost to the least experienced and least qualified presidential candidate in recent memory. I think she lost because she was and is a crappy candidate. She is aloof and uninspiring and at times, bitchy. In some ways, she reminds me of a female version of McCain - just not a particularly warm and friendly person. Once people saw her for what she was and had a chance to vote for "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," (to quote Joe Biden) her candidacy fizzled out like a bad fart.

    She also doesn't really have ideological credibility anymore. Back in the '90s, she was spun as the idealistic liberal, while Bill was the moderate pragmatist, but those days are long over. (Of course, in reality, Bill's only ideology was his schlong (or "schlang" if we're using the proper spelling).) Since 2000, she has moved all over the political spectrum, while trying to associate herself with Bill Clinton's moderate post-1994 economic legacy. That means the Democratic base isn't going to get particularly excited about her.

    The bottom line is that if a more sincere liberal who's a better communicator chooses to run, I think Hillary's campaign could flame out again the way it did with Obama. If she holds on and wins the nomination because "it's her turn," the GOP has a real opportunity to beat her, so long as they don't nominate a wingnut or a crook. They need to go with someone whose appeal is broad enough to flip the swing states like Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado back (maybe John Kasich), or they need to go with a someone who's so different from previous GOP candidates that he can shuffle the electoral map and put into play states that have at least in recent years been conceded as blue (perhaps Rand Paul).
     
  6. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    So how would the Queen handle the Mid-East situation as it is today?

    How about the Ebolia(sp) issue?
     
  7. huisache

    huisache 2,500+ Posts

    Deez: her candidacy did not fizzle out---she hung in for a long time and was still winning primaries after Obama seemed inevitable. Read the campaign histories for an idea of how fierce the struggle was and how she refused to cave. Obama got real frustrated because she would not fold her tent and go hence.

    Her inevitability collapsed but her pugnacity did not. Finding a clean, articulate half black Ivy darling to run against her is going to be impossible this time. The way she gets beat in the primaries is for someone else with a little credibility to run and do well after Iowa. Or if it is a liberal, in Iowa.

    Her husband's bad health, her granddaughter, her own health, are all factors that I think might dissuade her from running if she draws an opponent in the primaries.

    I am a default democrat but have no enthusiasm for her and I know others who feel similarly.
     
  8. Bronco

    Bronco 500+ Posts

    Agree with all of the sentiments so far. In addition to what has already been posted, her term as sec of state will seriously drag her down as well. She isnt there now but was in the run up and the foreign debacle we now have can be linked to her.

    However, I think the main reason she can never win is that independenmts dont really like her or her ideas and she would almost certainly drive greater turnout of R voters against her.

    There has long been the thought that independents control the outcome of elections, and sometimes that is true. However, when you really look at the numbers, voter turnout is a bigger issue. If either party ever really gets strong turnout {more than the other) then they win. Hillary is extremely polarizing. I dont see how she could have beaten Romney or even Mccain.
     
  9. Uninformed

    Uninformed 5,000+ Posts


     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet


     
  11. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

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