Two almost champions

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by 84 Horn, Dec 1, 2014.

  1. 84 Horn

    84 Horn 500+ Posts

    I disagree.

    If both win out BU should be champions but TCU should be in the CFP.

    Tell me I am an idoit.
     
  2. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    If both win out then Baylor will be the champion of the Big 12. No ands, ifs, or buts.
    They hold the first tie-breaker, so that’s that.

    I'm still waiting for the committee to leapfrog the Frogs. That’s what’s going to happen if Baylor beats KSU, IMO.

    That’s not what I want, but I think TCU is going to be left out, eventually -
    Unless of course, FSU loses.
     
  3. 84 Horn

    84 Horn 500+ Posts

    Not exactly.
     
  4. IPLonghorns

    IPLonghorns 250+ Posts

    TCU lost to Baylor, so if both finish with 1 loss how can they ***** about that? TCU had a big lead against Baylor in the 4th quarter and got conservative with play calls.
     
  5. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    My prediction:

    FL State will lose to GA Tech
    TCU will move into the #4 spot while beating ISU
    BU will lose @ KSU
    TCU will win the B12
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Rule #1: If you don't win your conference you should be able to compete for an MNC.
     
  7. 84 Horn

    84 Horn 500+ Posts

    You should not have to win your conference to be in the top 4.
     
  8. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    f you are looking at OSU, TCU, and Baylor for one spot (or for two spots if Alabama or Oregon loses), you have to discount the head-to-head loss. Otherwise, you may end up with a circle. For example, if TCU is deemed better than OSU, and OSU is deemed better than Baylor, what gives?

    If OSU loses, the issue becomes whether TCU or Baylor gets the 4th spot. Then it becomes harder to ignore the head-to-head result.
     
  9. 2003TexasGrad

    2003TexasGrad Son of a Motherless Goat

    If TOSU doesnt play well, or loses next week, and Baylor and TCU both win convincingly, TCU should still get the nod if Petty cant play. TCU will be at greater strength and is already gonna almost certainly be 4th going into the weekend, so why jump them?

    The committee has already said that they will take into account factors besides wins and losses, see Oregon and Florida State, so if Petty is shaky or isnt able to continue, I cant see them jumping TCU if TCU is healthy and rolling.
     
  10. Dirty Martin

    Dirty Martin 500+ Posts

    Baylor has a far worse loss than TCU. And Art Briles deserves to be left out despite a head-to-head win in October. How fitting.
     
  11. jmtamu

    jmtamu 250+ Posts

    I think Baylor's insistence on playing a weak non-conference schedule while saying they will continue to do so in the future should keep them out. TCU passes the eyeball test much more than Baylor IMO. Baylor would get smoked by anyone in the Playoffs just like they did last year in a BCS bowl but UCF.
     
  12. accuratehorn

    accuratehorn 10,000+ Posts

    TCU is ahead of Baylor and should stay there. They do pass the eyeball test, they have played the tougher schedule, and Art Briles is about to get his well deserved karma *** kicking earned by his coaches' ballot shafting of Texas in 2008. I want to see it happen.
     
  13. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    That would be a shame if Mr Briles were left out of the party.
     
  14. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Fart Briles voted out, while the team he beat gets in? Now that is sweet!! [​IMG]
     
  15. Das Mook

    Das Mook 250+ Posts

    Teams that are in if they win out:

    Bama
    FSU
    Oregon

    Teams that are probably in with an impressive victory (in this order):

    TCU
    Ohio State
    Baylor

    Would love to see some chaos / upsets in the conference champ games and see TCU and Baylor in the playoffs.

    People discuss the lack of a Big 12 champ game: no other conference (except the Pac 12) plays 9 conference games. Every Big 12 team plays 9 conference games (including 7* teams playing 5 conference games away from home {*7 includes TX - OU and Baylor - Tech on neutral fields}).

    Also, change Baylor's resume to Texas and TCU's resume to OU and tell me the perception isn't that both Texas and OU deserve to be in the playoffs. It is partially branding.
     
  16. Hook 'Em Danno

    Hook 'Em Danno 1,000+ Posts


     
  17. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Head to head should be the tiebreaker. "Baylor has the worse loss" is almost equivalent to saying that losing head-to-head should always be the tiebreaker, because the team that lost head-to-head between two 1-loss teams will generally have the "best loss".
     
  18. Hu_Fan

    Hu_Fan Guest

    Monday is reported the BigXII Comish has stated if Baylor and TCU finished tied they will be reported to the committee as co-champs.
     
  19. l00p

    l00p 10,000+ Posts

    I am with Das Mook in wanting some chaos added to this party. Even if it isn't an upset I think a close game with a little luck to pull a game out could be costly if a bubble team utterly dominates.

    I don't wish for injuries but if there are some it could make it interesting since the powers that be can take that into their decision making process.
     
  20. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    We are all unanimous in disgust for Briles and Baylor. But if we were in their shoes, beat TCU, and were left out with the same number of losses...all hell would break loose in these parts. Just sayin'.

    In a 3-way tie for the wildcard in the NFL, the league throws out head to head consideration unless any team won against BOTH of the others or lost to BOTH of the others. If a team has beat both, they win the wildcard. If they lost to both they are removed from consideration to make a 2-team tiebreaker. None of that applies to tOSU, TCU, or Baylor...so by NFL standards BU's win over TCU is moot and discarded.

    So yeah, f**k Briles, payback is a ***** for jobbing us with his vote in the past...among other douchbag behavior.

    As for the eyeball test, which should rule the day in a 3-way tie...I agree TCU is the best team and has the best shot at winning in the playoff. Baylor would go 1 and done. So if getting the 1-loss team in the playoff that has the best chance of competing for a title, TCU would trump tOSU and BU.
     
  21. 84 Horn

    84 Horn 500+ Posts

    We were not in the same shoes. In 2008 we lost to a top 5 team. This year Baylor has lost to an other receiving votes team.
     

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