New Big 12 Expansion Rumor

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  1. zork

    zork 2,500+ Posts

  2. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Nothing will hurt them until the NCAA finds some balls and tells them if they want to be considered for the Playoff they have to be in a conference (which isn't going to happen). No one else (even an independent Texas) would get the same treatment.
     
  3. yelladawgdem

    yelladawgdem 2,500+ Posts

    I think OldHorn hits it on the head. The PAC is the answer, and the sooner (ouch that hurt), the better. OU will go where Texas goes. Their AD has said as much. The political powers will force a package deal adding Tech and OSU to the mix. The Pac-16 traditionalist's will view the new East-West format as "N.O.K., D.".......Not our kind, dear". But when we take 15,000 people to Palo Alto, Eugene, USC, UCLA and Berkeley, they will be glad to sell us tickets. Texas and OU games against USC, Oregon, UCLA and an improving Washington will be prime time games. And who doesn't love television sets? Utah, and the Arizona schools didn't do alot of the Pac's academic standings, so the the Tech/OSU argument loses steam their. The PAC has already killed and brought back to life it's Basketball Tournament once and still draw only 6,000 fans in Vegas, so there is no legitimate grip there. The Big 12 was always a short term answer to a long term problem. We have had a nice run. Get while there is still "getting" to have. Go West!
     
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  4. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Dawg,

    Things have changed in the Dust Bowl. The hiring of Patterson gave Castiglione the opportunity to step out of the shadows and into the forefront. OU is now the bell cow in this part of the world. Patterson was held in such low regard nationally that no one wanted to deal with him. OU is now negotiating for them and oSu to move somewhere. Okie Lite's academics are not held in high esteem on the West Coast, which will hold OU back. I remember back in the mid 80s when Deloss was negotiating for us to move to the PAC10, the biggest obstacle was another school. PAC10 did not want aTm, which Deloss had negotiated for the SEC to take. They would not talk about Tech. Colorado was begging to PAC10 to take them, but again academics or lack thereof in Boulder killed their chances. PAC10 wanted us and Utah because of Majeris (sp).

    The first thing our new permanent AD needs to do is get his butt to Norman and make amends with the Sooners.
     
  5. easy

    easy 2,500+ Posts

    I would rather bring TCU with us instead of tech
     
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  6. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    I think Bellmont has thought about that scenario and doesn't feel particularly threatened by it because should it occur, Texas will go Independent in Football and join a Texas heavy conference in other sports.
     
  7. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The whole Big XII thing almost didn't occur because of Ann Richard$ and Bill Hobby forcing Baylor on us rather than taking TCU. One of the major considerations for the Big Eight was the opportunity to have Metroplex recruits at games when they played TCU. What they got was virtually NO recruits wanting to be in Waco on a perfectly good Saturday. Deloss did a masterful job of defusing that situation, but that along with academic standards really set Nebraska into a tailspin . We all owe thanks to Missouri for standing beside us to force the children of the corn to toe the line. FWIW, OU joined in that support.

    Taking ******** schools jus to get numbers is a really bad idea. Loserville, Cincy, Memphis are ******** schools. We would be their only sellout. They would bring maybe 100 fans to Austin. Thanks, but no thanks.
     
  8. WashU-Horn

    WashU-Horn 500+ Posts

    LHN isn't going anywhere and I think that remains an obstacle for the Pac. Also, SEC will have to take Baylor and/or Tech. I don't see Texas leaving for the Pac unless Baylor and Tech have found a home.
     
  9. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Yes, they would, although there's no such deal to make. The other Independent FBS schools (BYU and Army) have the same exact deal as ND. They're just as eligible for the playoff as everyone else.

    I think it'd be pretty sweet to get the same scheduling precedence as ND. Some people do regard our program on the same level (although not of late). It'd be cool to schedule OU, some old SWC schools, and some Power-5 teams (get picked up by their TV contracts in case we don't get our own).
     
  10. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Nope. If BYU had the same deal they would not be begging to join a Power 5 conference. Army is a non-factor.
     
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  11. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Start a thread for schools that no other conference will touch, and it starts with Baylor & BYU.

    Having said that, the Big XII front office is so weak, nothing they do would surprise me, including city schools, Louisiana directional, Colorado State.

    Maybe they will take Boise, Utah State, BYU and create a Mormon division. :yippee:
     
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  12. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    There is no deal. ND, BYU, and Army are all eligible for the CFP as it exists right now. They don't need to win a conference, nor is BYU banging down anyone's door to join a conference.

    The CFP committee picks the final four. If the committee believes that being "Notre Dame or a member of a conference" is the criteria for being selected, then that's on them, but there's no deal for Notre Dame to be preferred over BYU. It just feels that way.
     
  13. HornSwoggler

    HornSwoggler Horn Fan

    I just don't see how the LHN can be a stopping point if UT can help secure a conference network deal for a similar payout whether it is with the Big XII or Pac12 or whatever.

    Now, the Grant of Rights issue is a show stopper until the end of current tv deals. How could Texas or any school choose to leave a conference and leave rights to part of their potential TV revenue behind?
     
  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    If we are going to join another conference, I prefer the Pac 12.
    The Big 10 has some appeal due to the academics, the traditional football powers and their terrific basketball. However, the road games have no better or not much better appeal than the B12.

    In the choice between remaining in the B12 or going independent, I prefer independence. I hate the B12 that much (and will always blame Dodds for the mess).

    If we are stuck in the B12, I would prefer adding UH (and concurrently dropping Rice from our OOC schedule). UH has changed a lot since BleacherGate and is on the rise. I think they now have more on-campus housing than UT. And they are #3 of only 3 Tier I Level Schools in state (note - there was some talk Tech would be added but as far as I know, they haven't made it).

    I think we had a little window a couple years ago where there was a chance to add FSU, but we let inertia assert itself and that window closed. We possibly had a shot at another of the ACC schools too. UH and FSU would have tied it up nicely. Or possibly FSU + a sniped ACC team of choice. Given what is left, BYU and UH make the most sense. But, as I noted above, all this is still the last to me of all the alternatives.
     
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  15. easy

    easy 2,500+ Posts

    We should just get ou,osu, and tcu on the phone and bolt to the pac Texas brings so much to the table they wouldn't care much about the LHN. I think the only confrence that would give us an issue with the lhn is the sec and that's only because a&m but the other coaches will most likely care less beause it's gets them a stronger hold on recruiting in the state of Texas
     
  16. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Joe,

    I have heard that worthless piece of **** Chuckie NeinASS called a lot of things, but never "inertia". Would FSU come back? They would like to, but not as long as the present front office exists in Las Colinas. Luck could sell them. The disdain for Swofford among the quality football programs in the ACC is unbelievable. They are pissed about Swofford not expanding and then going after nonexistent football powers like Syr-excuse, ND Lite, Rutgers, Pitt. They do want out, but it will take a Texas/OU alliance to convince them.

    I guess I don't understand everyone's concept of "Tier I". The list ranks the Top 200 academic institutions. The top fifty are "Tier I", 51-100 are "Tier 2". At one time Texas was as high as 43, but is now tied for 52. SMU is next, then A&M. Rice at 18 is the only Texas school in "Tier 1". The old adage "figures don't lie, but liars do figure" is alive in well in academia as they seek funds. The top 40 are pretty well set and have been. The next 20 have movement. The major changes seen to be the order of the "public ivys" - Berzerkley, UNC, UVA, Michigan. UCLA, UGA, Wisconsin, Washington, Texas, Florida, and a couple of California schools fight each other for Tier 1 significance. None of the public ivys are going to catch the real Ivys, MIT, Stanford, et al.
     
  17. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Easy,

    PAC won't take multiple Texas schools or Texas & OU unless they can put a tap on Deloss' phone, computer, and an ankle bracelet on him. Stanford and Berzerkley haven't forgotten 1985-86.
     
  18. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    BIG 12, BIG 12, BIG 12!

    Bahahaha!
     
  19. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    TCU does not have the fan base of Tech and they add very little to Dallas/Ft Worth media market that the Big 12 had before adding TCU. Academics are a wash.
     
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  20. shaggy refuge

    shaggy refuge 500+ Posts

    Academics are a wash? I'll have what old is having.
     
  21. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    Too old for anything but water and 2 cups of coffee a day. You don't agree that academics at Tech and TCU are about equal? Have not looked it up on Newsweek college ratings, just thought they were about equal so you may have better info than me. That would not be surprising.
     
  22. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Old,

    I do believe the latest US News rankings have TCU well ahead of Tech, but you are correct in that neither is going to inspire the core Pac12 or the old ACC (Loserville alone was enough to drop their academic ranking two evolution cycles). The primary difference is that TCU has lots of monetary support, but Tech carries more political support around the State Capitol.

    Okie Lite carries all the clout of Conoco and Phillips 66, as well as T Boone, none of which Tech nor TCU enjoy.
     
  23. old65horn

    old65horn 1,000+ Posts

    OK, I believe both of you, I am wrong a lot. Need to keep my mouth shut. Sorry.
     
  24. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Old,

    You were not wrong. Quite frankly, TCU has done more to reinvent itself than almost any school in the country, all while improving it's academics. Much as I said that it would take us 20 years to recover from Powers hiring Patterson, Tech, both academically and athletically, will take similar time to recover from the antics of Ken Hance. Thanks to Dr Fenves and adamant fans, our cancer was removed in short order. Tech was not so lucky.
     
  25. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  26. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Interesting. I wouldn't be too against Cinnci, as long as we don't bring along a UCF, USF, or such.
     
  27. easy

    easy 2,500+ Posts

    Let's just do it and be done with it
     
  28. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    UConn would be a big plus for Women's basketball. Wouldn't be a one team race anymore..Well maybe, but the team would change......LOL
     
  29. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    UConn? You have to ******* kidding me. Have you ever been to a football game at that worthless piece of **** school? Take your choice, but all are true:

    1) Makes Ohio State look like a group of honor graduates of teh Dale Carnegie Class

    2) After 10 minutes, you would be more comfortable in the child molesters wing of a prison

    3) After 30 minutes, you would rather spend a week in the compound of the a Mexican drug cartel.

    UConn has no following and offers NOTHING! I'd rather play OU in Norman ten years in a row or Baylor in Waco 10 years in a row, than make one trip to UConn.

    As for Cincinnati, it's University of Third Ward with less friendly fans and a lot less fun place to play. JUST SAY NO TO ANY "CITY SCHOOL"!

    Until the Big XII gets a real commissioner and support group, anything done will be a total disaster.
     
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  30. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    I agree with many of Sabre's sentiments about UConvict and Cinncy.

    Look I know there aren't many good expansion options out there. But the conference desperation to add a couple of colleges to get back to 12 should not be a reason to extend offers to some of these college 3rd world programs. Outside a sport or two, most don't bring much to the athletic table and many bring little to nothing academically.
     
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