Trevor Knight and Kyle Allen both transferring

Apparently both are going to leave OU and A&M respectively. I have no idea how coaches are supposed to build quarterback depth nowadays. We had problems starting with Snead with QBs transferring (little did many of our guys realize they would probably have ended up playing... not that they would have done any better than Case or Ash based on their careers elsewhere). This QB transferring problem has plagued college football in general. Matt Norgren was probably the end of the good QBs being content with second string era. It will be interesting to see where Knight and Allen end up.

 

One of the side-effects with dozens of televised games every week is that everyone can be on TV. If you're a good QB, there are a lot of places you can play where you can still get noticed, put up good stats and have a chance to go to the next level. You're seeing fewer and fewer QBs that are content to sit.

 

Allen would be my pick of those two. Wonder if he'd like to suit up for the Mean Green and a head coach fresh off helping North Carolina sparkle and roll?

 

The Allen decision is fascinating but not shocking. I believe Allen to be very talented. He was mishandled by Sumlin IMO, perhaps because of the pressure associated with the recruitment of Murray.

I think Sumlin has chosen to ride the wrong horse, to the great benefit of someone. Could that someone be...Texas?

 

wow what is going on in college station

 

http://texags.com/s/19179/thoughts-on-texas-am-quarterback-kyle-allens-decision-to-transfer/5

Pretty interesting. This is a huge and highly detrimental development for Aggy.

 

Thats great lol and reading the comments at the end was the icing on the cake

 

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...er-options-oklahoma-sooners-bob-stoops-121015

Allen mentioning OU. After sitting a year would be in spot to replace Mayfield and fill Knight's scholarship. Also, his high school favorite target, Mark Andrews is already at OU. Will be interesting to watch.

 

If Kyler Murray doesn't pan-out, Allen's departure is going to cost Sumlin his job.....and pretty quickly. Bet the aggy are freaking-out.

 

Half of them want Sumlin gone now.

 

Truth is, neither of these quarterbacks are as good as they thought they were. That will bear out even when they transfer. Case in point, Knight looks like he's playing in slow-mo compared to Mayfield and I'm sure that is apparent to any NFL scout. However, with the right coaching, Allen could be decent at OU if he were to transfer there.

 

Good post. Thanks for remembering Matt Nordgren!

 

What are the rules against one team having conversations with players from other teams about transferring, prior to their being released from their scholarship? OU seems to be "behind the scenes" on a lot of these situations. A receiver from San Diego(?), our DE recruit from last year, Baker (although he was not on scholarship at TT) and now Allen are a few that come to mnd. They seem to already have the Norman destination mapped out when they bail from a program. Now the first words out of Allen's mouth are that OU is an option and Big Game Bob is a great coach. He might as well say, "I am in discussions with OU".

Nobody can deny that OU does not follow rules and their boosters work 24/7 all over the country helping recruit. They have done well in CA for years with that help. And does anyone think they would not be putting feelers out when they see a disgruntled player at another school? And does anyone believe thay they were not working on our recruit defect from last summer? Since there is no honor among some coaching staffs, there has to be enforceable rules. But maybe not in this area of the NCAA; and if so, perhaps it is another example of selective enforcement.

I leave the answers for the smart ones on this board. But all can look forward to seeing a very talented quarterback by the name of Kyle playing against Texas in the Cotton Bowl. I am betting that deal was done prior to him leaving the school in Collie Station.

 

Idk I think Allen may have a pretty good upside he may land somewhere and take off, he has been playing hurt for sometime now that without a doubt killed his productivity but we will see

 

From the Texags article linked above:

Really? Malik was just recognized as Big 12 Freshman of the year and will likely be an instrumental piece of our defense for the next 3 years. How in the world did that work out well for A&M?

 

They got Chavis, which they think descended from an Aztec god.

 

Are you trying to make sense of aggy thought processes? That is a dangerous road to travel, my friend.

 

Wow. Sounds like you got your facts from a bar in Austin. I'll tell you what I know about each of the players you mentioned.

The receiver, Jalen Saunders, was granted a full medical release due to severe asthma. He came from Fresno State and that area has issues with smog. The NCAA doesn't hand out full medical releases without merit. He came to OU because his high school coach had a relationship with Jay Norvell because he recruited that area heavily. Jalen's dad and Uncle, Webster Slaughter, also knew Jay and thought he would be a fit for OU's offense.

Du'Vonte Lampkin's situation occurred because he was lied to (his words) by the Texas coaching staff. Remember, he was committed to OU before Texas flipped him. The lie came right before signing day when the DL position coach told him he was staying at Texas and then bolted. Lampkin then refused to meet an admittance requirement of a foreign language and used that loop hole to get out of his NLI. Of course he would not have been able to enroll at OU without Charlie releasing him. According to him, OU was his first choice but when the DL coach who recruited him, Jerry Montgomery, called to tell him he was leaving OU to go to the NFL his mother talked him into opening up his recruiting. This led to his commitment to UT.

Baker came on his own. Despite being from Austin he grew up a Sooner fan due to his family's relationship with Bobby Jack Wright. OU had just come off a Sugar Bowl win against Alabama and the MVP, Trevor Knight, was a RS Freshman. OU had three other QB's on scholarship that they really liked. They were not looking for another QB. Baker, by most everybody's opinion, is a little bit crazy. He left Tech abruptly when the scholarship promise did not happen during bowl preparation. He was also disillusioned by the fact that he had to compete for his starting spot back after losing it to injury earlier in the season. Since he was a walk on he assumed that the transfer rules wouldn't apply. Obviously, he was wrong and he lost a year of eligibility.

Nobody knows anything about the fluid Allen situation. It is standard for coaches to call coaches when they are trying to help kids out. Sumlin and Stoops have a good relationship. Sumlin was on Bob's staff for several year's before he went to Houston. Bob helped two of his former running backs, Brandon Williams and Keith Ford, land at A&M and granted them full releases. It would not surprise me if Sumlin actually called Stoops on behalf of Allen once he realized he was leaving. Also, OU heavily recruited Allen out of High School so there is already a relationship there. We will see where it goes but for you to imply that something inappropriate is going on just because you don't like OU is pretty juvenile.

BTW, pretty stark contrast in how Stoops is handling Trevor Knight's transfer and how KK handled Baker's. Trevor was granted a full release which means he can transfer within the conference. KSU is a real possibility for him. KK on the other hand refused to release Baker who at the time was a third string walk on.

 

Is it just me or is this paragraph very confusing and unclear as to who lie and who bolted?

"Du'Vonte Lampkin's situation occurred because he was lied to (his words) by the Texas coaching staff. Remember, he was committed to OU before Texas flipped him. The lie came right before signing day when the DL position coach told him he was staying at Texas and then bolted. Lampkin then refused to meet an admittance requirement of a foreign language and used that loop hole to get out of his NLI. Of course he would not have been able to enroll at OU without Charlie releasing him. According to him, OU was his first choice but when the DL coach who recruited him, Jerry Montgomery, called to tell him he was leaving OU to go to the NFL his mother talked him into opening up his recruiting. This led to his commitment to UT."

 

I think it's just you bystander.

 

There's just so much money in the pros that players, QB's in particular, realize that the only way to potentially grab that brass ring--even though odds against it--is to play in front of cameras, pro scouts, etc. and not sit on the bench for 3 years. Just the way it is in today's football climate, unlike the old days with little pro money, and before college became semi-pro ball. From a college team quality standpoint, it's a good problem to have, rather than with QB's lacking in top-level talent and with no reason to transfer. Horns have not had this so-called problem for many, many, years. Better to have it I think, even though it is unpalatable to me and runs against the grain of college spirit. Semi-pro it is and has been for a good while.

 

"Du'Vonte Lampkin's situation occurred because he was lied to (his words) by the Texas coaching staff. Remember, he was committed to OU before Texas flipped him. The lie came right before signing day when the DL position coach told him he was staying at Texas and then bolted. Lampkin then refused to meet an admittance requirement of a foreign language and used that loop hole to get out of his NLI. Of course he would not have been able to enroll at OU without Charlie releasing him. According to him, OU was his first choice but when the DL coach who recruited him, Jerry Montgomery, called to tell him he was leaving OU to go to the NFL his mother talked him into opening up his recruiting. This led to his commitment to UT."

 

I'll try to clarify. Lampkin claims that the Texas DL coach told him before right before signing day that he was staying at Texas. The Texas DL coach left the day after signing day went to LSU?? obviously upsetting Lampkin. I can't remember the coaches name but he was a big reason that Lampkin flipped from OU to UT.

Jerry Montgomery was the OU DL coach who initially recruited Lampkin. Lampkin committed to him but then eventually flipped to UT after Montgomery told Lampkin he was taking a job with the Bears.

 

Nobody quoted facts. If you will read the first part of my post you will see I was asking for clarification. And as to attacking me with a personal cheap comment (juvenile) for my SUGGESTIVE foul play by Sooners (no facts, just suggestive), why are you so sensitive about the Sooners?

Stoops may want Trevor gone to make room for his next transfer and thinks he is so bad he does not need to worry about him. Just maybe, no fact! But Stoops fans will glorify him for this.

By the way, I don't go to bars. But when I lived in OK City I did have a few beer in some of your favorite hangouts in Norman. Remember? Or was that before your time. It was during that glorious Switzer era of the cleanest program in all of college football.

Sorry if I offended you, or the Sooners.

 

Kyler Murray will get died on the football field.

 

If I know what you're saying I agree; I think he is too slight and will get hurt at some point.

 

Definitely not offended. I am a Sooner fan that precedes Switzer if that matters. I was commenting on your opinion that since Kyle Allen is mentioning OU that rules are being broken. You supported that by mentioning all the transfers you could think of assuming they were all fishy I guess because you dislike Barry Switzer. I will retract the word "juvenile" and replace it with the word "irresponsible"

Sorry about the bar reference. I don't go to bars either so that was irresponsible/juvenile on my part. My point was that those kind of opinions are generally developed by like minded fans that feed each tidbits here and there that have no merit. If you concocted that all on your own...., life's to short to hate man.

Have a good one.

 

I stopped reading there. History says anyone attempt to justify recruiting/paying players coming from anyone associated with that school has to be taken at one's own risk.

 

How about Dorial Green-Beckham? Was he "fishy"? Was he a "tid bit" of no merit? Maybe OU just has no moral rules on transfers. Also, yes, Switzer was as DKR described him.

 

Does Allen have the prereq's to get into OU? By that I mean hitting women, committing burglary or selling drugs.