General Presidential Campaign: Trump vs Hillary

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  2. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I read it as I saw it and without any political agenda attached. And not that we took a poll on the issueI, but I don't particularly care who agreed with me.
     
  3. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Something else that came out of the latest late Friday FBI document dump

    Hillary received 1000 emails from Cent Com commander David Petraeus on her private email

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  4. Joe Fan

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    "A technician hired by Hillary Clinton to run the private email system she used while US secretary of state told investigators he tried to pass on colleagues' concerns that the system might not comply with records laws, FBI interview summaries show.

    Bryan Pagliano, the technician Clinton hired when she joined the State Department in 2009, told federal investigators he relayed the concerns to Cheryl Mills, then Clinton's chief of staff.

    Mills, whose lawyer did not respond to requests for comment, has previously testified under oath she could not recall anyone alerting her to potential problems with Clinton's email arrangement


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    A colleague also warned Pagliano "he wouldn't be surprised" if classified information was being sent through Clinton's unsecure system, Pagliano told the FBI.

    The newly released interview summaries from the FBI investigation show government employees undercutting other aspects of the public accounts given by Clinton and senior State officials.

    A State Department employee, whose name was redacted, told investigators they believed senior department officials interfered with the screening of Clinton's emails for public release last year in a way that helped Clinton.

    The employee, who worked on the screening process, said there was pressure to obscure the fact they were finding classified information in the messages. John Kirby, a State Department spokesman, said in a statement the department "strongly disputes" the claim of interference. Clinton repeatedly said last year she never sent or received classified information, but now says she did not do so knowingly since the release of the FBI findings....."


    http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/hill...bi-of-colleagues-worries-about-system-1466112
     
  5. Joe Fan

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    The Factcheckers - mostly true vs. mostly false

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  6. Joe Fan

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    Have you noticed that Trump's "unfavorability" overall has been decreasing generally over time? It is somewhat slight, but nonetheless a trend.

    At the same time, HRC's unfavorables continue to increase. For example, this latest Bloomberg poll has HRC's advantage versus Trump among voters aged 35 and under at just 10% (but it was 29% in August). http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-26/national-poll

    The exact same thing happened over the course of the Democratic primary. The more the public sees of Hillary, the more they dislike her. This partially explains why she has been in hiding for so long (but for the fundraisers of course).

    In these three debates, Trump may not have to do much more than stand there. Let Hillary speak more since it always works to her eventual disadvantage.
     
  7. Joe Fan

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    Is this good or bad for Trump?

    It's worth some thought -- how do Americans look at where the combination of these Presidents have left the country. Better or worse (Reagan excepted, of course)



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  8. Joe Fan

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    Trend lines awful

     
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  9. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Hillary's alleged parkinson's, her handler, and lasers. Seriously folks...WTF?


    Hillary's lazy eyes
     
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  10. Joe Fan

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    Wonder if she will go with the anti-seizure glasses for the debate
    Might be risky not to

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  11. mchammer

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  12. mchammer

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    Silver having a cow
     
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  13. Joe Fan

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    Hillary's booster seat?
    Can she stay balanced on that for 90m?

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  16. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Here's what we know about her health:

    Blood clot in head that caused her to collapse and hit her head
    Prism glasses
    Blue tinted glasses (to prevent seizures)
    Needs assistance to walk up a half flight of stairs
    Cold chai seizure
    Lazy eye
    Excessive cough, supposedly cause by allergies
    Thrown into a van like a side of beef which was supposedly pneumonia dehydration
    She claims to not remember having a briefing on handling classified material (probably just a lie)
    Handler guy with laser points the way for Hillary
    Hillary assures us she's healthy
     
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  17. Joe Fan

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    TRUMP: Condolences to my opponent, who passed away hours ago

    CLINTON: [glares impatiently at Lester Holt]

    HOLT: Oh, I’m not a fact-checker
     
  18. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    As shaky as Hillary is, she probably needs handrails on that soap box.

    Her side is putting poor Lester Holt's balls in a vice to call out Trump's "lies". Pretty ironic from a woman who has made a career out of lying, don't you think?
     
  19. Joe Fan

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    Also in the FBI report: Everyone one at Platte River Networks ("PRN") had access to Hillary Clinton's emails --


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  20. Joe Fan

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    Since her 9/11 collapse, Hillary has lost her lead in NV, IA, NC, OH, NV and FL

    Iowa/Loras Poll has had a 14-point shift toward Trump since the last Loras Poll , which was ~3 months ago

     
  21. Joe Fan

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    Iowa -- The new Reuters/Ipsos Poll shows an even more dramatic shift to Trump
    Trump 51 (+10)
    Clinton 41

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    Colorado
    Trump 44 (+2)
    Clinton 42

    http://www.reuters.com/statesofthenation/
     
  22. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    I agree. If Trump had a ground game here, he could take Virginia easily. He'd take it easily because the fundamentals of apathetic democratic voters (Virginia democrats aren't blue kool aid liberals)*, and because the rural conservative voters have had enough of their representation eaten away by johnny come lately carpetbagging liberals in the NoVa suburbs that have no idea what to do at a crab picking - they actually see a chance to turn the state back red.

    But Trump doesn't have a real ground game here...yet. I emphasize yet. It's really tightened up in Virginia and the GOP is throwing a lot more resources in the Commonwealth. Even if they froze any resources in Virginia, given the trends and Trump's surging momentum I still think it would be a toss up. With Kaine on the ballot, she should be up by 15% in Virginia - she's not. If he could win Virginia...holy crap.

    I think a "ground game" is more important to marginally appealing candidates (e.g. Clinton) versus disruptive/transformative candidates like Trump. Brexit is a good example. Military voters in an election like this do not need to be told by a pimply faced college freshman young republican or democrat to vote or register. A Marine Texan that's made up her mind about who she'll vote for knows how to make her vote count.

    *Non-transplant Virginia democrats as opposed to transplanted NoVa government/political professionals
     
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  23. Joe Fan

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  24. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I think it's amazing that the race is this close considering Trump is up against the Dem establishment, the GOP establishment (never Trumpers), 95% of the Media, and Hillary is out spending him 8 or 9 to 1 in TV ads. Also whatever the polls show you can add 3 to 4 points to Trump to get a more accurate number. Yes, she is that bad of a candidate. The worst in History and there is nobody close to second. Even the Community Organizer wasn't this bad when running.
     
  25. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Remember all the belly aching over the FBI not indicting Hillary?

    Forcing the democrats to keep an eviscerated Hillary was the best thing to happen to Trump.
     
  26. Joe Fan

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  27. Seattle Husker

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    Are Wikileaks and Russia now synonymous?
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Definitely quite a bit of overlap there
    Too bad American citizens had to rely on them to learn the truth about what our own Govt was up to
    Sadness indeed
     
  29. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    SH, does it make it not as bad to what Hillary did if the emails were hacked by Russia?
     
  30. Mr. Deez

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    I think the ground game is more important to Democrats, as opposed to marginally appealing candidates. (Obama was an appealing candidate but still relied heavily on a strong ground game.) The reason why is that a big part of the Democratic constituency is people who aren't particularly organized or motivated - bums, pot-smoking college students, etc. They need to be told and reminded to register and to actually show up. Furthermore, they often need transportation to the polls. Not many Republican voters need that. However, the GOP can't get by on no ground game in a swing state like Virginia.

    Nevertheless, a Trump victory in Virginia wouldn't signal a landslide that would warrant a "holy crap." It would just give him a little more margin for error in winning a close race.
     

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