Black Lives Matter; The Cerebral Warlords of Our Time

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by iatrogenic, Jul 13, 2016.

  1. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Gee I don't know but BO saying police acted stupidly seems pretty divisive to me
     
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  2. Brad Austin

    Brad Austin 2,500+ Posts

    Care to take a guess why Trump ignored speaking about the Charlotte incident? Battleground state in a dead heat right now.

    Either side his words would seem to favor...upset NC blacks or police...the position would have a strong chance of costing votes.

    HRC's position on every one of these incidents will always be in favor of BLM's position so her NC vote count isn't at as much risk regardless of her predictable words.

    Tulsa was fair game for Trump to comment on as OK is solid in his corner. Even then he was complimentary of police in general and only called the specific incident "troubling".

    This isn't a criticism of his tactics, it's actually a complement for having the intelligence not to touch the hot potato during a dead heat in NC.
     
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  3. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    I'm not sure Trump was really concerned about losing the black vote...if anything the four black people in that State likely to vote for him would have agreed with him.
     
  4. humahuma

    humahuma 1,000+ Posts

    I know for a fact that officers can punch in your Lic Plate number and come up with all types of info on you. So, the officer might of known about his RAP sheet before the shooting. Did this influence the officer, maybe.
     
  5. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I've had two different friends that were police officers that let me ride along with them. I never came across anything too exciting while riding with them. One time one of my friends pulled a guy over that was drunk that was giving my friends trouble. He tried to resist being handcuffed, but I'll admit that I was a little nervous for my friend who was arresting him. I can't even imagine how scary it is to deal with someone that's out of his mind and having a weapon on them not knowing if they intend to use it our not.
     
  6. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Trump's comment was stupid too, but he did at least keep it limited to the persons involved in the incident rather than trying to build it into a broader political issue. Nevertheless, I don't understand what's so hard about saying, "These shootings are a tragedy, but I am going to wait for the facts to become known before commenting on specifics. Furthermore, I am going to respect the conclusions reached by judges and juries once these matters are adjudicated." I shouldn't blame Trump or Hillary for this. They don't say that, because the voters want them to talk smack.
     
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  7. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The keyword is "maybe." We don't know what she knew or didn't know at the time.
     
  8. Joe Fan

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  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

     
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  10. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I've said it before, if it is were about blacks being killed they would be 100% more outrage of an innocent 3 year old getting killed than a guy with a criminal record holding a gun in a confrontation with the police that got killed. They are protesting for less law and order.
     
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  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Thank goodness we had Obama fix things

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Wow
     
  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  14. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    Blackman.jpg I really struggle with the whole BLM movement. Maybe I'm a racist and I just don't know. To me, each shooting needs to be taken as an individual situation, but I will usually side with the police. To me, a white woman who has had more than her share of encounter with police (got a lead foot) it is very simple of me to recall the words of my drivers ed teacher, so many years ago regarding how to act during a traffic stop and to comply with what the police ask of me.

    I can't pretend to understand how a black person feels, or what their struggle has been. I have a hard time believing that blacks are consistently harassed, stopped by the police, and overall are on the wrong end of so many assumptions and bias every day of their lives, but I am not in their shoes, so to speak.
    I do feel that it happens, but not with the regularity that some are saying.

    Yesterday, there were a couple of stories that caught my attention. One involved a 9 year old girl, sobbing before a city council meeting in NC, telling people it isn't right for black people to be treated so poorly. She stated that black people are treated differently because of our color, and we can't see our mothers or fathers anymore. It breaks my heart that young black children are being taught that they are prey of some sort, and the idea that police and others are out to get them. Those teachings do not bode well for our future and race relations.

    On the other hand, more details emerge from the NC shootings that paint the dead man in a very poor light. The man had been in jail for shooting another man. He had an illegal gun, and was carrying this gun. This type of information seems to come out after many, if not most of these incidents. The press hasn't reported these findings too much, and the damage is done as far as looting, riots, and even death in NC. The man the police shot was a bad dude, and once again, the wife claimed he had a book in his hand. The same wife who had a few very recent restraining orders out on this man as she feared him.
    The rush to judgment is clearly out of hand, and it angers me to no end that while the protests and judgments are out in full force, our President and certain candidates choose to remain silent.

    Then, in another shooting that is being protested, it seems to clearly be a "suicide by cop" situation. I don't know how anyone can look at the picture above and think that the shooting wasn't justified. How many minutes do we expect our police officers to wait and see just what is in the hands of a person who will not follow orders? I wonder how our leaders would feel if their loved one was at the wrong end of the man in this photo, a man who is clearly in an aggressive shooting stance aiming at another man. Would they ask their loved one to keep waiting and hope that it wasn't a gun?
    I don't ever like to see a person gunned down, but the thought that a policeman leaves his or her house one day, hoping against hope that they will encounter a black person so they can shoot them is beyond my comprehension. While we worship firemen, who may be called out to a life threatening fire a few times a year, a policeman truly is in a life threatening situation on almost any call every day.
    My fear is that more and more good candidates will pass on becoming a policeman, which will leave us left with the type that are bullies and control freaks and like pushing people around.
    I can't think of another profession that forces split second, life or death decisions and has the type of second guessing and scrutiny that a policeman goes through. Not a surgeon that loses a patient, not an attorney that loses a big case, not one profession. Yet, instead of getting moral support from our leaders, they are being told they need sensitivity training. How would you like to have almost every interaction filmed while trying to do your job? I do feel like there is are bad cops, don't get me wrong. I also think that due to the nature of their work, they are more likely to cover up some things that happen on the job, as they understand the enormous difficulty in making some of these judgment calls. But, I tend to think we all have covered for a colleague at our places of work. I don't want a wall of silence, but I also don't want police to become sacrificial lambs to appease the media and angry black people, who often have no reason to be angry. Put your energy in to lifting up true victims, not some ex-con who didn't follow simple police instructions.

    Maybe these thoughts come from a place of white privilege, or tone deaf racism. I don't think I am, but I am so tired of reading these stories that seem to have no rational reasoning, or at least a wait and let all the facts come out slant. Look at this photo. Tell me you wouldn't have shot this man, who, in my opinion, wanted just that to happen. Yet, the rioting and lack of comments from our leaders and candidates will continue.
     
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  15. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Oh brother...THAT will help recruiting. Suddenly a scholarship means giving up your free speech rights?

    I don't support them but I support their right to do it.
     
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  16. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    For sure Hollandtx. Sometimes I just want to scream at the TV ... all you analysts are speculating and then basing analysis on speculation. The results are what in this public forum I'll call organic fertilizer that should not be taken seriously.
     
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  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts


    The issue is not free speech. All of the analysis along these lines is faulty.
     
  18. texas_ex2000

    texas_ex2000 2,500+ Posts

    Haha recruiting. :lmao:

    And just fyi, there are plenty of constitutional rights that are against team rules of many schools.

    :usflag:
     
  19. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Obama in Kenya in 1990
    "I am saddened whites are still superior .... things could explode at any point."

     
  20. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    Is he wearing a sweater vest?
     
  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    The great silent majority speaks? (sort of) --


    "The alarming fall in NFL TV ratings this season is partly because of fan anger over on-field protests by Colin Kaepernick and other players of the American flag/national anthem, according to pollster Rasmussen Reports.

    Nearly one-third (32 percent) of adults say they're less likely to watch NFL game telecasts because of the Kaepernick-led player protests against racial injustice, according to Rasmussen's telephone/online survey of 1,000 American adults conducted Oct. 2-3.

    Only 13 percent said they were more likely to watch an NFL game because of continuing protests by Kaepernick and supporters such as Antonio Cromartie of the Colts (who was cut only two days after raising a fist during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner" in London on Sunday).

    More than half (52 percent) say the protests have no impact on their decision to watch NFL games on NBC, Fox, CBS, ESPN and NFL Network this season. ...."


    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...test-reaction-effect/95jdoch1ngj103xvbkllcbvk
     
  22. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    I personally have quit watching NFL for that very reason. It's not so much just Kaepernick, the last straw for me was when the NFL told Dallas they could not have a helmet sticker honoring the 5 dead DPD officers, then the Kaepernick thing came right after that, and I said I am out.
     
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  23. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    The NFL has been circling the drain for several years IMO...the most recent events are simply the icing on the urinal cake. They began losing me when someone who happened to smoke a joint was suspended for a longer period than someone beating on their spouse/partner...although the decision with respect to the ONE thing JJ could do that actually might bring people together was the real head-shaker.

    I find actions by the likes of Kaepernick to be distasteful but I do not believe the league should intervene there. The lack of sanction by the owners was concerning, but then again, he does play in the land of 'do whatever and nobody will do anything if it can remotely be deemed favorable by the extreme left.'
     
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  24. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    The NFL has been gradually turning into a politically correct WWF for the last 20 years, and it has gotten to the point that I don't care anymore. I'll casually check the Cowboys' score each week and generally want them to win, but I'd never stay up late to watch a game even if the Cowboys were in the Super Bowl. I just don't care enough. By contrast, I pay for a mlb.tv subscription every year, often watch the Texas Rangers, and will certainly stay up late to watch them in the playoffs this year, even if it means being sleep-deprived and exhausted for a few weeks.
     
  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    NFL circling the drain? It crushes every other sport in ratings. I'd readily admit that Roger Goodell has had more than his share of missteps, the concussion controversy the worst. It's still the king of professional sports.
     
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  26. mb227

    mb227 de Plorable

    Just as vote totals in the primary do not mean that #Shillary is worth a damn, ratings relative to other sports does not mean the NFL is not in a decline.

    The fact that an organization can saturate a market with an overpriced product does not preclude it from being on a downward spiral. Without serious thought, I couldn't tell you the last time I went to see a pro game up close and personal...and I think I have only seen one since the last season in Texas Stadium (Vikings game). It is overpriced tripe that rarely even gets my interest anymore in the sports book when I go to Vegas...and I used to do EXTREMELY well when I bet the schedules.
     
  27. Hollandtx

    Hollandtx 250+ Posts

    Is this the new expectation of our policemen and women?
    For everyone who thinks, "why didn't they taze him", or, "they acted too quickly", please watch this video. Rham Emmanuel stated that this was another unjustified shooting and claimed the policeman who finally shot this man was "violating both the standards of professionalism that come from being a police officer, but also basic moral standards".

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/graphic-video-of-cop-being-beaten-a-counterpoint-to-mcdonald-case/

    For all the worship we heap on firemen, I lived next door to one for almost 15 years. He was a super nice man, but I don't think he was in a truly life threatening situation once during that time. He knew what he was facing, the fires were usually smaller---San Antonio doesn't have lots of old abandoned buildings, and high rises. He dealt with house fires, car fires and that type of thing.
    A policeman goes into an unknown situation ever single day, multiple times. Any little traffic stop, noise complaint, domestic situation can be the one that escalates into a very dangerous, if not life-threatening situation.

    This policewoman, who was seriously injured, claims she was too aware of the investigation and fall-out that would happen if she shot this man. So, he almost killed her. He was tazed several time, and since he was on PCP, it didn't phase him. I lost count at 8 policemen who tried to pry the man off of the policewoman as he bashed her head against the concrete.
    As you can see, it took just a mere second for this to all go south. I am aware that some shootings may seem, may even be, on the side of "really fast", and there have been some videos that truly trouble me.

    However, time after time, many of these videos produce important information "after the fact", just like the case in Oklahoma, where it was found the man killed was on massive amounts of PCP. Unfortunately, that policewoman is charged with murder. I wonder if that situation went through the mind of this officer as she saw the tazer wasn't working, even a tiny bit.
    I wonder if the person we loved was on the other side of a bad guy, how many seconds we would want or expect them to wait and see if the hand at the side of a suspect would quickly grab a gun tucked in the waistband, or door, or as this video proves, flat out use those hands to produce great bodily harm.

    In the past couple of weeks, 4 or 5 policemen have been killed. Some were responding to false calls, so they walked in to an ambush.
    The press is so focused on DT, and where his hands were, that these incidents aren't being heard, and this video isn't receiving airplay on the news or social media. Why anyone would actually want to be a policeman is starting to become a valid question, and I wonder if, like our candidates. we will soon have a police force we deserve.
     
  28. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I think any sensible person has to judge each of these cases on an individual basis. I've seen some in which I blame the cop for shooting too quickly or beating the guy excessively, but the overwhelming majority of the time, the officer is justified. I've said it before, but the minute an adult man physically assaults an officer, he has lost my sympathy. If the officer clearly has him subdued and shoots or keeps beating him anyway, that's another matter, but that clearly didn't happen here.

    What needs to be understood is that most anti-police brutality activists are advocating in bad faith. They don't care what happens to the officer and don't care what the facts are. (How many liberal activists or MSNBC hacks have you heard say, "it looks like we were full of crap on the Michael Brown shooting?" I haven't heard any either.) If they can exploit a police shooting for political purposes, they will, and Democratic politicians and the media will help them do it and exploit it themselves. It's sick.

    As for coverage of these attacks on police, the media is mostly ignoring these cases for the same reason the Obama Administration felt the need to lie about the Benghazi terrorist attack. Covering the shootings would undermine the political narrative being pushed by the Democratic nominee and strengthen the Republican nominee's narrative.
     
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  29. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    And that could be an understatement. Probably more like an unarmed innocent black man being shot by a police officer is as likely of getting struck by lightening twice.
     
  30. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    Most cops are great, honorable and do their jobs with the least violence possible. What is also undeniable is that as an institution, police organizations have covered up, planted weapons and lied to protect the odd rouge violent cop. Cell phone video has exposed a few instances. You can love cops and still be disgusted when some bad actor blows up an unarmed or non-threatening person, lightly armed (screwdriver or butter knife) mentally ill person, etc. when by no reasonable standard should the cop have feared for his/her life.
     

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