We have two choices..........

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by majorwhiteapples, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. harry_horns

    harry_horns 250+ Posts

    I've accepted it, I'm just stating the case that it was the wrong choice and very depressing. Texas had a chance to be decent next year. Now it seems that they'll undoubtably have a losing record. Hooray.
     
  2. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Yes, we can tell :smile1:
     
  3. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    2016 is Strong's make or break year. Gotta have a really good year to get a 4th.
     
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  4. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    You don't have to wait until 2016, Strong already broke in 2014 and 2015.
     
  5. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    What is so impressive about Strong's resume?
     
  6. LtSwtCrude

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  7. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Well there's .............uhmmm.....and then there's.........uh...okay I defer to answer until December 2016.
     
  8. LtSwtCrude

    LtSwtCrude Guest

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  9. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    We should have hired Herman last year, he is going to demand a fortune this year......
     
  10. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    Herman will get what the market will bear and right now the market is LSU, BU and probably AU, USC maybe OR and TX.

    If Herman is as smart as everyone thinks he is going to do nothing but coach football until Dec and then see what the CFP looks like.

    Lots of games to be played before a decision is needed.
     
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  11. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    I have a third choice.
     
  12. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    BU is still toxic so they should not be a contender. OR and AU are probably outliers leaving the three real contenders as LSU, Texas and USC. With those tree it will come down to money, length of contract and assistants (length of contracts and pay). Texas has a slight edge with no state income tax (LA - 4%; CA - 11%). Costs more to live in CA, but he would have very little out of pocket expenses between the school, the boosters and the want-a-be's.
     
  13. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    Man I have no idea why everyone thinks Tom Herman is the savior of Texas football. Of course he's red hot and actually kind of cooled off after their upset by Navy yesterday. How do you lose to Navy? I don't even know their head coach's name nor could I give you one player's name on that squad. I don't even know where Navy plays! Somewhere in Virginia or Maryland?

    I have been arguing that you can't go out there and get a trendy coach because that's all they are: a quick, popular fad that usually doesn't sustain. Let's see what he does in the next couple of years and see what he produces. Of course Texas football is messed up right now but we literally have nothing to lose from here on out. Speaking in terms of some kind of title we're chasing. There is not a national championship or conference championship at stake so we just need to ride it out and be patient. We already know Mike Perrin is not going to fire Charlie mid season so we have him for all of 2016. At this point in time just chill and let the chips fall where they may is the approach I'm taking.
     
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  14. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I have never understood ignorance as an argument. It is a shame you are not aware of the locations of this nation's great military service academies.

    Last year Navy went 11-2, beat Pittsburgh in a bowl game, beat #15 Memphis, and finished the season ranked #18 in both polls. Navy has been good at football for well over a decade (and Roger Staubach, someone you may never have heard of, led Navy against Texas in the 1963 cotton bowl which was for the national championship). This year's navy team appears weaker than last year's top 20 team, but they are 4-1 on the season so far.

    This post is not so much to defend herman (I have not yet decided who i want as our next coach as this season is not over), but to defend ignorant bashing of the great program head coach Ken Niumatalolo has built at Navy. This Navy bashing will look even worse if Navy beats Notre Dame later this year.
     
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  15. dukesteer

    dukesteer 5,000+ Posts

    It doesn't necessarily have to be Herman. What about Chris Peterson (a fabulous choice if we could get him), or Chris Kliemam (33-3 at ND State), or Fedora, or John Harbaugh, or even Major Applewhite (yes, I did say that).

    I would argue that a case could be made that perhaps half of the HCs in the power conferences plus a half dozen or so coaches from smaller schools could do a better job with the roster we have now than we have seen with our current HC. Remember, the bar is very low -- a record of 13-17. The scoreboard doesn't lie.
     
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  16. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    i love Mack. i'm in the tank for the guy, but i think stoops was a better game day coach.
    This is my opinion of what skillsets are needed in what prioroty. i think charlie came to texas without 2 and 4. imo, these are the problems. he has the offense fixed. not the defense. might be too late though.

    1 culture/vision
    2 hirer of coordinators
    3 recruiter
    4 ceo of org
    5 motivator
    6 game day coach
     
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  17. blonthang

    blonthang 2,500+ Posts

    Gilbert is kind of hard to read, body language wise, so just a thought, maybe he doesn't want to be hung out to dry at year's end, assuming a new HC comes in, and maybe he"s got a verbal from another major program and Charlie has found out about it.

    Just a possibility, nothing I've heard or seen. But doubt that Gilbert is just doing the Xs and Os thing without looking at his career path.
     
  18. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    You have a vivid imagination. :rolleyes1:
     
  19. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    1 culture/vision
    2 hirer of coordinators
    3 recruiter
    4 ceo of org
    5 motivator
    6 game day coach

    Charlie has demonstrated 1 and 5 in his stint at the University of Texas.
    2.) He could and can hire any coordinators he wanted, he chose to be loyal.
    3.) It is not hard to recruit to the University of Texas.
    4.) I don't even know what that means, A CEO of what a $200/M/year business? and that includes other sports that is not just football. So calling him a CEO or the HC a CEO is a joke.
    6.) Oh god no, he makes more mistakes than Les Miles......it shows in the dumb penalities this team has taken over the past two years and in the Special Teams play.

    I hope Charlie can turn it around or at least does not lose the players.
     
  20. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I am not sure about being a motivator after the Iowa State game last year.

    At best Strong has been "Mr. February" so far. Remember when Mack was "Mr. February" after two 11 win seasons? This is what a real Mr. February looks like.
     
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  21. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Major, I agree with you more often than not, but you are wrong on this one. The fact that Texas has a Coach rather than a CEO is a big part of the problem. You have to realize that Strong is in charge of the program that is the major (80% or more) revenue producer for the Texas Athletic Department. It is his job to manage the program on and off the field. He is the CEO and the Coordinators are the COO's of the program. When the CEO is also a COO both positions suffer as attention is divided between the macro position (the CEO/HC) and the micro position (the COO/Coordinator). The HC, like a CEO, smoozes with the big money; hires the people he wants to manage the positions; lets them manage the position; and reams them when they fail. During games the HC is responsible for the management of the game - not worrying about what play or defense to call next or who is or is not in the game.

    Mack was the prototype of a successful HC. Don't let his last years cloud the good he did.
     
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  22. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    I would say that the AD is the CEO of the Athletic Department, which is only a $200/M/year organization, that is a small business. The Coach in my opinion would be the COO.

    Anyway, call it what you want...I just don't like the analogy to a business, because it is not even close. I guess that is my beef with the CEO comparison.
     
  23. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The AD is the Chairman.
     
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  24. Creek

    Creek 1,000+ Posts

    That job is something I could do, right now. I'd take a lot less too.
     
  25. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    Two national championships as a d-coordinator (in both cases his team won the game primarily with defense). Took over a UL team with 3 straight losing seasons, never had one himself, and in 3 years they were winning 11+ games (similar to Briles at Houston).

    At this point, what should decide his job is his record at Texas, not what he did before coming here. But let's not act like his resume didn't say he deserved to be a head coach of a serious program. It looked bad in comparison because a lot of our fanbase seemed to think we could just snap our fingers and poof Nick Saban, Jon Gruden, Vince Lombardi, and Tom Landry would all merge into one supercoachbeing and take the job....
     
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  26. majorwhiteapples

    majorwhiteapples 5,000+ Posts

    Just to have some fun here, I would say the President of the University is the Chairman of the Board because he actually reports to the Board of Regents.....the Coach to me is in charge of Operations and insuring that the product is put out at the right time and in the right places......Cordinators are like Directors and coaches like supervisors....
     
  27. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Texas no personal tax
    Louisiana who cares
    California highest marginal rate is 12.3% but since his income would be over $1mil, his rate jumps to 13.3% and his fed tax paid isn't deductible for state tax.
     
  28. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Joe,

    Compare the cost of houses living in The Country Club versus Orange County or The People's Republic of Santa Monica. Herman does not impress me as being or liking pretentiousness.
     
  29. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I agree his record should decide his job at Texas. He is 13-17 almost midway into his third season.
     
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