Big XII Expansion

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by LonghornCatholic, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    B12 has legal contracts with ESPN and FOX. Who is Texas and OU going to negotiate a better deal with outside of ESPN/FOX?

    Who is Texas and OU going to play that is not under contract to ESPN/ABC/FOX?

    Round Robin with ND and BYU?
     
  2. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    What deal can OU make that doesn't take OSt into consideration?

    What deal can TX make that doesn't take TT into consideration?

    What deal can TX and OU make that will get 8 votes in B12?

    The state legislatures and the 8 other members might have something to say TX and OU trying to leave B12.
     
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  3. Horns11

    Horns11 10,000+ Posts

    Should have agreed to renegotiate LHN and bolt to the Pac when we had the chance.
     
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  4. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    The ball was way over the intended target's head and was caught at shoulder level by a safety way downfield. Uncatchable. Possibly still a penalty because he did flat-out clobber the guy, I'm not sure of the rule, but not PI because Michael Jordan couldn't have gone up to get that ball.
     
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  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    When Nebraska was advocating "a rising tide lifts all boats" strategy OU aligned with UT to block any attempts towards a B12 Network. OU made it's bed.
     
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  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    The PAC would never have accepted UT w/the Longhorn Network. That was an immediate showstopper.
     
  7. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    One guy discussed that when asked if Texas got a deal, wouldn't it have to include Tech and Baylor. His answer was "No! that deal only applied to Texas A&M." True or not, I don't know. The reports were all over the board. The only one I agreed with is the B12 is dead, or if not it is slowly dying. I also agree that answer to the question, which programs from other P5 conferences would leave and come to the B12, would be none.
     
  8. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Sometimes I think UT might go independent, like Notre Dame. Might work, then again it could be the biggest flop ever.
     
  9. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Incorrect. The PAC-12 set-up is six separate regional networks plus a "network" feed. The LHN would have fit into that model, but Texas would have taken a revenue hit as the PAC-12 Networks are not affiliated with neither Fox nor ESPN so very little money.

    ou is tied to OSU by law. Texas is not encumbered in any way. However, having Tech follow Texas gives Texas a close competitor that generally is beatable in everything except WBB and soccer.
     
  10. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

    I am not sure that is true. What is your source on this statement?
     
  11. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

    OU folks won't disagree with this statement at all. The tier 3 rights have been a mistake and OU had a big part in creating the problem.

    The complaint about the Big 12 is that it used to be the second best power five conference and now it is clearly number 5.

    This is because NU, ATM and MU are members of other conferences and the replacements are second tier athletic departments.
     
  12. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

    The PI occurred so early in the route we will never know whether the receiver could get to the ball or not. Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
     
  13. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

  14. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not know who Jeff Dooley is or what exactly some random football blogger's opinion proves. I can find links from football bloggers saying Shawn Watson is a good offensive coordinator.
     
  15. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

    I thought you would get a kick out of that. Just pulling your chain.
     
  16. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    #8 Mitch Trubiski North Carolina. Looks like the coach at North Carolina can develop QBS.
     
  17. faceman

    faceman 25+ Posts

    Big 12 sealed its fate. It is dead, just the exact expire date hasnt been written. Probably 6-8 years.
     
  18. 22Horn

    22Horn 500+ Posts

    $$$$ says it won't take 6--8 years for a few of these to move on
     
  19. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Exactly how did the Big XII "seal its fate"? By not admitting any schools that bring not one damn thing to the table? Or maybe by not pissing off the TV partners and losing the TV contracts dropping the individual school payout by over $25 million/year?

    I've seen some stupid **** posted on this board, but that one takes the prize for #1.
     
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  20. LonghornDave

    LonghornDave 1,000+ Posts

    Some said the same think about Louisville's last coach and o coordinator. just saying.
     
  21. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Loserville's last coach has not turned around two D-1 teams. including trying to cleanup the biggest administration academic scandal in the country. While Loserville's last coach gets lots of sympathy for having to put with overbearing alums, the coach at UNC has to put up with FBI, state police, NCAA, lawyers, legislators, and condemning media types. Yep, that Loserville guy has a track record head and shoulders above that country bumpkin from Brazos County, who descends from Texas HS coaching royalty.
     
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  22. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    Trubisky is the second good QB in a row that has been developed by Fedora at North Carolina and there is probably another qb in line being developed to follow Trubisky. That's what really good coaches do, unlike Strong and Watson. Bridgewater was the exception for those two offensive keystone cops.
     
  23. OldHippie

    OldHippie 2,500+ Posts

    I heard on the radio yesterday that the grants of rights for most of the 5 top conferences run out in the early to mid 2020's, 5-10 years from now. They were speculating that was the time major realignment might take place. So, I would guess that Texas, OU and the Big 12 as a whole are waiting to see what shakes out at that point before making a move toward expansion and/or conference movement. It seems like TV would be a major player in those decisions.
     
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  24. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    That is what I understand, but when you are relying on negotiated contracts nothing is set in stone. All it would take is either two (or more) conferences voting to merge (say the ACC and the Big XII) or one conference (say the Big XII) voting to disband and all hell would break lose.
     
  25. PecosBill

    PecosBill 1,000+ Posts

    It might be more difficult that you imagine. The B12 holds the GoR and gets the members $30M+ per year for the next 8 years of the GoR term. The members need 8 votes to do anything significant like disbanding. Take TX, OU out of the mix and the remaining 8 are going to get $5-6M per year.

    That is huge incentive to not disband until GoR term ends.
     
  26. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Understood, but my point was when the first conference makes a move, they will all make moves. After a realignment at least 8 if not 9 of the Big XII teams would be getting in excess of what they are getting now. Even Kansas would get more because they are attractive because of basketball. ISU, TCU and Baylor would be the potential left outs. However Patterson has done enough to get TCU at least in the ACC.
     
  27. OldHippie

    OldHippie 2,500+ Posts

    Yes. And my hope is that all of the Big 5 conferences and TV interests sit down at some point in 2022(?) and put together something that makes sense, particularly for the Big-12 which sits at the edge of the conference tectonic plates. The Big-12 needs either to break up and be divided up or padded up to give it stability, and it seems like only an overall plan can adequately address that.
     
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  28. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    ALL contracts are negotiable. I've yet to come across a "carved into stone" one yet. Some are more difficult and you might not get everything you want, but it is doable. I don't know if Texas and OU will get a better deal or not. That is only my writing down what I've heard the sports guys spew out on the air. I don't agree with a lot of it, but there was a lot of radio guys talking about the B12 the other day.
     
  29. Longbomb

    Longbomb 500+ Posts

    Nebraska probably says Texas never listens to them...but no one at Texas can know for sure.
     
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  30. 22Horn

    22Horn 500+ Posts

    Big 14 would be ????? name them; is it doable

    Don't think I can wait until 2022-24 to have a top notch conference...Big 12 needs to buy *4-5 out of their existing conferences now


    *10+4 =14
    *10+5 =15 - Baylor = 14
     

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