Game Week 7 – Kansas State

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  1. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    2002 Chris Simms and the 2002 team were very good. They won at Kansas State and beat Nick Saban in the Cotton Bowl.
     
  2. Buck-Horn

    Buck-Horn Guest

    Is CW eligible for a Med RS? I looked at the rule, & it's a bit unclear. If we get to a bowl game (good luck with that, right?!?), he becomes borderline as best I can tell, given the games he participated in. Anybody know?

    http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/17/how-get-medical-redshirt.htm
     
  3. Godz40acres

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    OT Connor Williams is one of only two Beg12 players recently named to CBS Sports' 2016 Midseason College Football All-America team.
     
  4. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Man that was a wet game...rained the whole time, never let up. I was soaked but didn't care since we won!
     
  5. Godz40acres

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  6. Godz40acres

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    Texas fans might want to gear up for a physical — and ugly — football game on Saturday.

    Kansas State is known for keeping the ball on the ground, and Strong said it will try "grind it out" on Saturday. The team counts on its talented backfield in senior running back Charles Jones and junior quarterback Jesse Ertz, who have combined for six touchdowns this year.

    The Wildcats attempt the fewest passes in the Big 12 this season, a contrast from the pass-heavy attacks Texas has faced so far. The Longhorns have already played three of the nation's top-15 pass-happy offenses in their first six games.

    While Kansas State's offense presents a different challenge for Strong's defense, the unit can still score points. The Wildcats have scored at least 26 points in four of their six games, including out-scoring the nation's No. 5 scoring offense.

    [More @ SportsDay]
     
  7. Godz40acres

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    Very long; but if you're interested in listening to KS football stuff....

     
  8. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    This all adds up to Texas better be ready for K State to suddenly become world beaters in the passing game Saturday.
     
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  9. Godz40acres

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    Midseason Top247 Longhorns

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    While Texas has had mixed results this season, offensive lineman Connor Williams has been a consistent bright spot for the Longhorns.

    Williams along with junior running back D'Onta Foreman, linebacker Malik Jefferson and freshman quarterback Shane Buechele where all named Wednesday to the midseason Top247 rankings, which ranks the top college football players in the country. Williams led the pack at No. 31, a large jump from his preseason ranking of No. 106.

    Williams has led an offensive line that has helped Texas gained a total of 1,433 rushing yards this season, much of which came from Foreman, who was ranked at No. 61 in the midseason Top247.

    Jefferson, who has tallied 34 tackles and two sacks this season, came in at No. 136 while Buechele rounded out the group of Longhorns in the midseason Top247 at No. 221.

    What makes their addition to the Top247 rankings more impressive, is that Foreman and Buechele were not previously ranked in the preseason rankings.

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  10. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    The Bill Snyder Family Stadium always sells out and the fans are fired up when the Horns come to Manhattan. The Mildcats always bring their A game when TEXAS comes to town. I too expect a physical and potentially ugly game with them.
     
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  11. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Yep, and I get the feeling they will exploit our secondary even though they are supposedly a bad passing team.
     
  12. Godz40acres

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    I hope we see more press coverage and stunts in passing situations this week. Always been a fan of press. Yeah, K-State doesn't take to the air much, but when they do, our guys could use more reps to prepare for their upcoming Bailor, TT, and TCU games.

    I've said numerous times this season that our offense needs to utilize the middle of the field more. I think Gilbert may be getting there, albeit, slowly. If memory serves me correctly....
    • Okie State – TD to TE Beck over the middle
    • ou – one slant, one curl middle-ish field
    • I-State – haven't finished the re-watch, but I think there were three. That one to A-Fore was a Buechele beauty (more of a seam, but I'll count it as middle-ish)
    We still need to see more, though.

    Sure, INTs often occur in the middle and Gilbert may be trying to "protect" his young QB; but pick-6es happen more on the edges and we've narrowly avoided a couple so far.
     
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  13. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Kind of like Iowa State in 2015.
     
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  14. BevoBeef

    BevoBeef 250+ Posts

    My hunch is that not attracting the secondary to the short middle of the field with passing routes is a natural part of Gilbert's offensive strategy; and you will not see that change unless there is some weakness in the middle in the opponent's defense to exploit. So that will be the general nature of Gilbert's offense. The "spear" of his running strategy is between the ends and off-tackle and is dependent upon the RB finding a slight crease to break through. That is more difficult if the pass routes are pulling the secondary into the middle of the field within a short distance ahead of the OL. He does not want the LBs in the middle of the field covering the passing routes. The stress is on the DBs to cover outside or deep. If they choose to cheat up in the middle to stop the run --- BAM!! The WR slips past the DB because of the threat of the run up the middle. He is trying to pull the DB into the middle because of the run threat -- not because of the passing threat there.

    The analogy is similar to how OCs use the reverse. You cannot use it that much, otherwise it will not be as effective. The threat of the reverse is as effective as actually running it. The veer-n-shoot is a smashmouth spread that depends upon the run to open up vertical pass plays. The running plays are generally up the middle. So, why bring in the secondary to the short middle of the field with short-middle passing routes that will decrease the success of the run?
     
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  15. Godz40acres

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    Ya mite be on tah sumpin' there, pahdah. I'll hafta think about it....
     
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  16. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Yeah, in 4 of our 6 games we practically made Heisman candidates out of the QBs and WRs. The wildcats might have the same luck against our secondary Saturday.
     
  17. Godz40acres

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    Charlie Strong’s much-maligned defense came out on Saturday against ISU with plenty to prove. And while the Cyclones’ incoming 1-5 record didn’t make them appear to be the most impressive of foes, their prior two games against Baylor and Oklahoma State had shown them to be plenty capable of dropping 40 if the Longhorn D had come out anywhere near as discombobulated as they had in the past three contests.

    Instead, the front four was electric and a back seven that had collapsed like the Bluesmobile against any passing offense with a pulse, suddenly spent four quarters making pretty sweet music.

    Saturday’s game was only one step, but it was a legitimate step in the right direction with plenty to build on despite the disappointing loss of Jordan Elliott. The challenge will be integrating athletes of Davante Davis’ caliber back into the “We’re all playing the same coverage, right, guys?” model before facing an opponent who can simply blow Bonney’s doors off in single coverage.

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  18. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I do not understand these quotes. Maybe Davante Davis is a great athlete, I do not know, but he has been terrible on the field the entire time he has been here. I do not understand why he keeps getting love. He has shown nothing other than the ability to break up screen passes. Again, he may have a ton of ability, but I do not understand why people keep assuming he does since he has yet to demonstrate it. It may just be coaching, but so far his caliber has not been a high one.
     
  19. Godz40acres

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    Breckyn's Baby Boys

     
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  20. Godz40acres

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    Injury Updates

    Freshman DT Jordan Elliott suffered a knee injury in the 2nd half of the Iowa State game and HC Charlie Strong said he has an MCL injury. I spoke to a source yesterday who told me Elliott has a torn his MCL and is done for the year.

    It’s obviously good news that it wasn’t the ACL or a more serious knee injury, as some guys can play through a torn MCL but there is no reason to risk further injury with the true freshman.

    Another positive is that he won’t require surgery. Nonetheless it is disappointing. Elliot was one of the primary freshmen contributors on the defensive line. He played 20+ snaps vs Oklahoma and was set to play even more going forward. He’s expected to fully recover and be back to 100%.

    RT Brandon Hodges went down vs Oklahoma with a leg injury and I was told he’d be out “at least two weeks, maybe three.” But it looks like that may change, I was told last night there’s a solid chance Hodges is suited out vs Kansas State on Saturday. I wasn’t told if he’ll start or even how much he’ll be able to play.

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  21. Godz40acres

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    The Wildcats rely on defense, physical running, and disciplined play. Jesse Ertz will start at quarterback according to Snyder, and appears to be a slightly lesser version of Collin Klein. Ertz is just south of 50% passing on the year, but he does present a run threat with a big physical body.

    Ertz is assisted in the run game by Charles Jones, who is averaging 5 yards per carry and leading the team in rushing. Byron Pringle is the man to watch in the passing game for K-State. Pringle is averaging nearly 17 yards per reception, and he teams with Dominique Heath to create a formidable receiving duo.

    The defensive side of the ball is carrying this team so far this season. The Wildcat defense ranks tops in the conference against the run holding opponents to around 90 yards per game on the ground. In home games this season, Kansas State is only allowing 58.3 rushing yards per game in Manhattan.

    This game will come down to the K-State ability to stop D’onta Foreman and the Texas run game. If the K-State offense hopes score often, they will need to keep Jesse Ertz clean. The shoulder injury Ertz suffered could come into play as well if he is not completely healed.

    If the Longhorns can enforce their run game on the Wildcats stingy defense, and continue their own defensive improvement they might be able to generate some momentum as they enter the second half of the schedule.

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  22. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    Yes, Godz and K St can stop Foreman. We aren't going to be able to pound the ball like we could against the Cal's, OSU's, Tech's, Baylor's of the world. This is a game we're gonna have to pass to set up the run. If we can't it's gonna be a long day.
     
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  23. Godz40acres

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    Wizards do what wizards do.
     
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  24. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Good point. I do think we can pass enough to score enough to win the game. But it looks like a very close match, with both teams needing to establish momentum going forward. We have better talent, no question. But the Wizard will have his team well prepared and disciplined to give us real problems. If we win, it will bode well for the team's ability to get better this year.
     
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  25. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    Well, I'm all set to watch and see what happens.
     
  26. Godz40acres

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    Burnt Orange Nation / Bring On The Cats

    BON: Kansas State quarterback Jesse Ertz may be limited this weekend with the apparent shoulder injury that he suffered against Oklahoma last weekend. What's the difference, if any, between the two quarterbacks, and how much, if at all, are those two players limiting the nation's No. 118 passing attack in S&P+?

    BOTC: Look, Joe Hubener's a great guy, but he's clearly not an FBS quarterback. He lost his job to a wide receiver last year, after all. As for Ertz, we have a suspicion he's still favoring the knee injury he suffered 14 months ago.

    His passes have been inaccurate, and it seems like it's because he's been throwing off his back foot a lot. It's definitely the weak link.

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    BON: Kansas State ranks near the bottom of the country in producing plays of 10 or more yards and 30 or more yards offensively. Are there any threats in the passing game or running game that Texas needs to worry about on Saturday?

    BOTC: Taking sacks out of the equation, K-State ran for almost five yards a pop against Oklahoma. (Why they chose to throw the ball 37 times is a mystery.) All of K-State's running backs get in on the action, so none really stand out individually.

    The Cats have three running backs picking up over five yards a carry, plus Ertz picks up 5.4 per. Texas is going to have to make that a priority, especially since all four tailbacks have wildly different skill sets.

    As far as the receivers, much depends on which quarterback is in the game. Ertz and Hubener have different favorite targets. That said, what K-State has this year... is an entire pack of guys who are currently good, but not great.

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    BON: In terms of creating sack and tackles for loss, the Wildcats haven't made a lot of plays. However, the defense has forced a lot of turnovers. Is that more a result of luck or does this group just have a knack for creating game-changing moments?

    BOTC: Well, as you know, fumbles are luck anyway — at least the recovering of them. K-State's done a good job of forcing interceptions, but probably not any more than usual. You're correct that the Wildcats don't have a ton of sacks or tackles for loss, but defensively the concept is less about accomplishing that than simply preventing positive plays via pressure.

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    BON: What aspect of the Texas offense do you think could give Kansas State the most trouble and where do you think the Wildcats could succeed defensively?

    BOTC: If Shane Buechele has time to throw, that could be bad. But the Wildcat defense does tend to control the line of scrimmage, and I don't think Texas will find running the ball to be super effective.

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  27. Walking Boss

    Walking Boss 2,500+ Posts

    Gilbert cannot give up on the run. He may need to use some reverses and jet sweeps though. The little I saw if the Ksu -tech game, the Ksu secondary will jump those long throws to the outside receiver, it is very likely they get one pick 6 today.
     
  28. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    I wish I had been wrong about this.
     

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