How did we end up with CS

I do not understand this. He how did this happen.

It was not an incredible record at Louisville. Did he even win a conference championship?

I just do not understand it.

 

I'm not sure, but I blame the Aggies.

 

It was probably multi-fold...I would bet that Texas A&M having a black coach made the powers that be think we needed to show the world we would be willing to hire a black coach too. When the top guys we wanted said NO, he was there at the top of the list. His core values sounded really good, and God forbid Texas hire a guy with no HC experience like OU did with Stoops ( you see how that turned out for them ...sarcasm)

Now the reason the top guys said NO.......Smart coaches DO NOT follow legends. You don't want to be the guy following a guy who won titles and won 9/10 games X number of years in a row, etc.....Its a no win situation. If you win like he did you were supposed to, and if you don't you are a failure even if you have winning seasons.....

Presently we should have a lot of top coaches wanting the job following what we have now.
OU will have a tough time finding a seasoned coach to follow Stoops. tOSU will as well when Meyer leaves. Dabo may rethink following Saban at Bama when he hangs it up. LSU could have a problem, in that Les was pretty successful, and Bama looms as a measuring stick in the $EC.

 

Good analysis 54, thanks for the time and effort.

 

Wow, great post.

 

It' known as the "Bill Powers Legacy", which is typical of what happens when educrats get involved in athletics - see also Willie Cunningham and John Mackovic.

54,

I don't believe that anyone else was contacted after Powers blew the firing of Mack Brown.

 

I kind of remember there were several others that we wanted and they said "no, thank you..."

you have to have all the details worked out with the NEW coach before letting the OLD coach go....just say'n....

 

Seattle,

The only "other" that I know about is the one that got totally ****** up by Powers refusal to fire Mack Brown when Brown went into hiding. No one else was given consideration or opportunity, unless of course you are referring to "the usual suspects", who apply for every job before it is open like Todd Graham. They don't count since they never even got a "thank but no thanks".

 

I could resurrect the threads were I predicted what would happen if we fired Mack Brown without anyone lined up. I kept saying "you dont fire Tom Landry, unless you have Jimmy Johnson locked up." Since there were no good hires, i was for giving Brown one last farewell year with Applewhite and Greg Robinson in 2014. I was ridiculed. In fact, I was told that you dont need to have the next guy lined up when firing your current guy because "just anyone could do more than Mack Brown with the talent we have." I said "just anyone will mean wandering the desert and losing until we find the next DKR/Brown for who knows how long. Chances are "just anyone" will lose." Unsuprisingly, the history of college football was correct that the coach that follows the legend generally (not always) tends to suck. Our fanbase didnt want to give Brown a retirement year while we locked someone great up. We wanted him out then so we could have three years of losing before threads of "how did we get here" happened.

I hope everyone is happy with the last three years that wanted to hire "just anyone" because I sure as hell am not happy with it.

(Truth is Sabre is right. It did not matter what I or any Texas fans wanted. Bill Powers was determined to make history and that is why Brown was fired and Strong was hired. Nothing else. Neither coach was hired or fired on their merits, because Powers and the Kroll report made it clear that Powers does not care about merits.)

 

77,

What if we did have someone lined up, and the papers ready to be signed, while some arrogant, self serving administrator totally humped the puppy with the firing of Brown?

 

I said in 2013 if we had an elite coach ready, then fire Mack. I can prove it. If we hired Harbaugh, i was 100% okay with firing Mack.

https://www.hornfans.com/threads/let-mack-go-not-so-fast.94392/

^ here is the 2013 thread where I predict if we fire Mack without someone great lined up, we suck for 3 years. I was ridiculed.

Also, it was not a baseless opinion. I cited the history of many college football progams.

 

I'm not denying the accuracy of your prediction, I'm just saying what if someone agreed to terms, and some administrator totally ****** it up. Perhaps it all blew up in Powers face one Saturday morning in a total of less than thirty minutes because he didn't have the balls to do what he agreed to do.

 

Well if they had someone like Harbaugh and messed it up, they should have gone hat in hand back to Brown before hiring Strong.

 

That would not have made me happy, but since there was no "they", but rather one individual who clearly had no clue what he was doing, that's how we got here. It wasn't like "they" didn't have hundreds of people to help make the choice. Remember the "committee of three hundred", when Cunningham went rogue and hired Mackovic after the problems about his style and personality or lack there of had been discussed in open meeting? That "discussion" included details of the KC players threatened walkout and subsequent meeting with Lamar Hunt.

 

I remember there was a rumor that Steve Patterson had Bill O'Brien locked up (i would have been okay with that) but something happened and O'Brien went to the Texans. Is that what you are referring to or was that a bogus report like the many rumors at the time?

 

Never heard that, but O'Brien was never a consideration, nor should he have been. Powers may be stupid, but he ain't that ignorant. The Kirby Kretin Korp is the only outfit dumb enough to do something like that or pay a gazillion dollars for a QB that has had one 300 yard passing game in his entire career, and that was against directional Arizona Tech. Not he first of their several QB miscues.

 

^ I was not entirely right. I should have said 3 years of *6 or less wins. So far Coach Strong has actually performed worse than my hypothetical "coach just anybody" from December 2013. I mean, I did really think coach just anybody could at least go 7-6 once in three years.

 

I personally felt that 2012 should have been Brown's farewell year particularly (if I recall correctly) because he hung onto Diaz that December.

Strong was no ones first or second choice on this board, not that anyone listens to us. My dream choices were either of the Harbaugh brothers.

Strong was not a great choice but no one expected for it to be this bad. He looked like a deer in the headlights in that first presser, and for the most part his teams have played that way since.

 

Rereading the 2013 threads, I can confirm this. I did not see anyone that wanted Mack out after 2013 saying Strong was their first choice. I will give everyone I debated that point.

I agree. As bad as I knew our offense would be when he hired Watson, I did think he would get to 7 or 8 wins at least once. It is amazing he is unlikely to reach 7-8 wins in year 3 against our weak schedule.

 

He looked like a deer in the headlights all day Saturday. Meanwhile Snyder was taking notes, analyzing schemes, players and plays. Tells you all you need to know right there. I said the purple wizard would coach circles around Strong and he did.

 

Briles would have come if we would have given him the job without interviewing. There was no way he could interview in case he didn't get the offer. Now we probably dodged a bullet with Briles, but with what we knew then, he should have been hired over Strong. And it wasn't even close. Patterson's ego wouldn't allow Briles to dictate the terms of the hiring process though.

 

I remember knowing then he was a POS and had voted ou ahead of us in 2008.

 

This was discussed at length in 2013 and I was in the anti-Briles camp because of it.

 

Me too.

 

Roll, Tide, Roll!

 

I don't know how we ended up with Strong. We're talking to Sabin and the next thing Charlie's our new coach.

 

or he had a faculty tea to attend.

 

This alone is enough reason he should never be our coach, in addition to the fact he's a slimeball. He hates Texas. He thinks he got fired because of Texas. The only reason he would come here would be to lose intentionally to put us in a worse situation we're already in.

 

fwiw bovada had strong as a significant favorite for the job the day mack stepped down.

i remember being convinced that jim mora jr would get hired to the point that i wanted to put money on it...i followed the odds pretty closely for a couple of weeks and charlie was the prohibitive favorite the entire time