More Miles Less Charlie

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by K_C_Horn, Oct 4, 2016.

  1. car54

    car54 1,000+ Posts

    $EC is changing since A&M and Mizzou entered their league ..which is one reason why Les can't hang there like he used to. No way he could change enough to keep up with Tech and Baylor, etc.....Coaches don't change their spots."LSU did but now that Miles is gone that's changed." You said it your self. We don't need that guy !!!!!!!
     
  2. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The last thing Texas needs is a $EC reject.
     
  3. Hpslugga

    Hpslugga 2,500+ Posts

    This. That guy is a clown. To want him as a replacement is to reveal poor judgment.
     
  4. Crockett

    Crockett 5,000+ Posts

    If the advisor is "financial" he or she better say "past performance is no guarantee of future results," or face firing, getting sued, etc.
     
  5. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    You're right Crockett that disclaimer is appropriate for people that invest money for the public and institutions. But the subject here is non-financial. I'm talking about human actions. If you finished the past three seasons at .500 or under .500 you can conclude that barring something extraordinary happening to your team, then you'll probably repeat the same record for the next three years.
     
  6. blonthang

    blonthang 2,500+ Posts

    DKRTMS is artificial turf. Can't munch on that
     
  7. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    Let me see...
    Texas won National Championships in 1963, 1969 and 1970. By your logic, I should not have had to wait until 2005 to celebrate another.
    Performance may be a predictor but not a guarantee.
    I've seen Rice beat Texas. And I've seen Iowa State shutout Texas. Don't tell me that the illogical and unexpected cannot occur, just because 'you can conclude...'

    Extraordinary things DO happen. That's why we still have to play the game.
     
  8. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I was surprised when LSU hired him from Okla State.
     
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  9. Txreds

    Txreds 250+ Posts

    He made many bad game day decisions like going on 4th down and giving us great field position. Seemed like we could always count on it. I too was surprised LSU took him. Not what we need.
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  11. WorsterMan

    WorsterMan SEC here we come!!

    I thought I was the only one who was surprised by LSU's hiring Miles.
     
  12. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    JustWin I have no idea what your point is. All I'm trying to say is that if someone finishes 6-7 in 2014, 5-7 in 2015 and you're 2-2 so far in 2016, then your past performance reflects an average of 4.3 wins per year up to current date. There are eight games left this season and if we win all eight games that's an average of seven games won over the past three years. If you're good with that then that's your position. In my case that's not acceptable for our program. The law of past performance being a predictor of future performance regarding human action kicks in. No question.
     
  13. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I always suspected that the Bad Hatter was channeling Marie LaVeau when he convinced LSU to hire him.
     
  14. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    Ok let me show you the numbers. I know everyone already has their opinion on Les Miles so let me give you the facts. Using Wikipedia, I looked up the figures on Miles and our last coach Mack Brown.

    Les Miles started college coaching in 1980 and spent two years (1998-2000) in the NFL with the Cowboys as TE coach. Cowboys were NFC East Division champs in 1998 and made the playoffs in 1998 and 1999. Mack Brown started college coaching in 1973. So Brown has a seven year jump in coaching over Miles. But remember Miles left for two years out of his college coaching career to go to the NFL so Mack Brown actually has nine years over Les Miles in college coaching.

    Les Miles has a 71.9% overall winning percentage as a coach. Mack Brown has a 66.7% overall winning percentage as a coach.

    Les Miles is 8-6 in bowls and Mack Brown is 13-8.

    Les Miles has one national championship. Mack Brown has one national championship.

    Les Miles has two SEC conference championships and three SEC Western Division championships. Mack Brown has two Big XII championships and six Big XII South Division championships.

    Les Miles has five coach of the year awards. Mack Brown has three coach of the year awards.

    To me the two coaches are basically the same. Here's the breakdown: Mack Brown has had a longer coaching career than Les Miles, Miles has a higher winning percentage with less games coached than Brown, Les Miles has won less bowls than Brown, Brown has more conference titles than Miles and Miles has more coaching awards than Brown. Of course these awards are subjective but they're recognition by others for your performance as a coach. I'm not trying to say that Miles is a better coach than Mack Brown I'm just showing you a trial balance on both of these coaches. Form your own conclusions.
     
  15. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Mack coached 171 more games than Miles and is 4-0 head to head against him. I know my LSU relatives would laugh if I suggested we hire Miles after they fired him.
     
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  16. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    True dat horninchicago. I wouldn't expect any other reaction from a fan base that just cut their coach loose under such shaky circumstances. I didn't know that Mack Brown was 4-0 against him!
     
  17. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    From what I see, they faced each other 2001-2004 when he was at OSU, Texas won each game. He had a mediocre 28-21 record and 1-3 in bowl games.
     
  18. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Mack had an undefeated possibly best team of all time national champion. Miles had a two loss national champion.

    In fairness to Miles, he had the best team in 2011 and should have been national champs but lost due to a rematch that should never have happened. I think LSU fans never got over Miles having the best team and being out coached so badly in the rematch.

    If we were going to hire Miles, we may as well just hire Mack Brown back since Mack is better than Miles anyway. I am not calling for that and few are. If Charlie does not turn it around, we should look for someone other than Les.
     
  19. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    Ok so here we are after the RRS, 2-3. Charlie said he took over the defense and we gave up something like 700+ yards of offense to OU. I don't know the numbers yet. But here we are pretty much the same ole same ole as the past three years. What do we do and where do we go from here?
     
  20. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    Ok Tom Herman fans what is your position after today's upset against Navy? State your case!
     
  21. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    As you can see Tom Herman fans, all that glitters isn't gold. Check today's scoreboard against Navy.
     
  22. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    KC,

    Yes, Herman's team was highly ranked, but no non P5 school should be able to regularly beat Navy, a team that gets 100 paid appointments for football prospects annually, while others get only 85. same is true for Air Force. Of course with Gladchuk still running things, there's no telling what they may or may not be doing. I put him in the same cesspool of human waste as Donnie Duncan.

    So, would I still take Tom Herman? In a heartbeat. He is better organized, and much better coach than what we have. He can also build a quality staff, which Strong has NOT been able to do.

    While you're throwing people under the bus, don't forget Larry Fedora's loss to VT yesterday in the monsoon. And yes, I would take Fedora everyday of the week and twice on Sunday over Charlie Strong. Nothing personal, just business.
     
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  23. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    So now this thread becomes even more relevant than ever. I'm not on the Les Miles bandwagon as much as I was a couple of weeks ago and now that some of the dust has started to fly around again, I'm looking at things a little more carefully. I have no idea who is going to be a coaching candidate and I'm hoping we've already put some people on a list and are talking to them right now.

    I had no idea we'd be 3-4 at this point in the season because I honestly thought we'd be good enough to beat OSU and K State. But due to some detours here we are. About to start all over again and try to get back on track. Be patient and hang in there is all I have to say to the Longhorn nation. We've waited three years already and just be prepared to wait another three to get it together.
     
  24. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    If Miles could not/would not produce a $EC caliber offense, how can anyone expect he could produce a Big XII level offense? Look at LSU's record since letting Miles go. That was a better than average (not by much and on its way to probation) Mississippi team they beat on Saturday.
     
  25. p_town_horn

    p_town_horn 1,000+ Posts

    I'm all for hiring Miles ... as a defensive coordinator. Anyone who doesn't want the LSU defense and Miles' recruiting records is crazy.

    That being said, no as to HC. Just no.
     
  26. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Can we put you down for $50,000 or $100,000 or $250,000 annually for recruiting? Also, will you be delivering that cash directly to the players' parents or will you be using a bagman? Are you already connected to street agents or should we set you up to interview a couple?
     
  27. blonthang

    blonthang 2,500+ Posts

    Les Miles winning a national championship at LSU a couple of years after taking over for Saban is a bit like Switzer winning a Super Bowl with the Cowboys a couple of years after taking over for Jimmie Johnson.

    Unfortunately, UT football at present isn't anywhere near LSU or Cowboys quality/momentum those organizations had at those head coach change points.
     
  28. Statalyzer

    Statalyzer 10,000+ Posts

    He got a lot of mileage out of those 2 wins over OU in 2001 and 2002.
     
  29. JustWin

    JustWin 250+ Posts

    KC
    I was not challenging your conclusion that the results we have seen are not acceptable, just your way of stating it.

    1. There is no Law of past performance being a predictor.
    That maxim is typically used with regard to behavior, not performance. Winning and losing is performance, not behavior.
    2. We all oversimplify things to make, support or 'prove' our point. I just felt you went overboard to make your point.
    3. When you use a short evaluation period, your conclusion might not hold up when viewed over a longer period. Hence, Nick Saban's first 3 years at Michigan State (6,6,and 7 wins )would show him to be a low achiever by your assessment. Then, he won only six in year four. However, over time he has proven to be quite successful.

    Anyway, I agree that even winning out now at 3-4, while commendable is not acceptable performance for the Texas football program. We expect better.
    Hook 'em.
     
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  30. caryhorn

    caryhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Winning out would give the Horns an 8-4 record which is what I predicted before the season. With the freshman QB and center, and another new offense being installed, e.g., no continuity, I thought that was a reasonable, acceptable goal. I didn't state which games the Horns had to win and which they had to lose to meet my expectations.

    But winning out is not going to be an issue. Texas is not playing good football. They will be lucky to go 6-6. The win over ND gave us all an exaggerated sense of our teams prowess. The team is done.
     
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