Gilbert over his head too

Agree. A kicker and one less ineffective defensive recruit would have saved some games over the past 2 1/2 years.

 

It seems to me that if someone points out valid concerns with the offense, it is often greeted with, "Gilbert is not the problem." Personally, I have never said Gilbert or the offense is THE problem, and as far as I can tell, the OP and others did not say that.

Gilbert and the offense, however, are a contributing factor to THE problem. Everything pointed out in this thread that the offense could have done to help secure the win on Saturday are valid concerns.

 

The offense is not where it can be, but I believe the offense is the lone bright spot for our team and will improve. An OC that has had only had one spring practice, one fall practice and seven game practices to install and run his offense with a true freshman and performed has earned my respect. This offense will only get better. Could the offense have won this game? Yes. Did the offense put Texas in a position to win this game with limited time and possessions? Yes. The only correction I would make on offense is putting the WR Foreman on the pine. Two critical drops is too many in a close game.

 

The problem is that we have a Head Coach who compromised his own vision.
For better or worse (worse due to Watson!) Charlie Strong's original vision was to play ball control offense.
You can argue about whether or not it made any sense to try to bring that kind of offense to the Big 12 to begin with... but you cannot argue that when that it did not work out, he panicked and went to the opposite extreme, and that there is no cohesive vision for the the program going forward.
So we are a HUNH team that is afraid to take chances or get into shootouts, or ball hawk on defense, but also does not protect the defense or win the field position battle or do any of those things that a good ball control team does.

The idea was good in premise, but not in execution. It worked for Patterson at TCU but Strong is no Patterson.

 

We are not running Foreman enough, he needs to get the ball 30-40 times a game.

The fricking screen is killing me, the WR's never catch it running back to the quarterback they are always bending over and barely catching it off the ground. The Defense is going to take one to the house in the very near future......

 

One more thing, why in obvious passing situations or in the two minute offense is Shane still faking to Foreman, get back in the pocket and don't waste any time.....drove me crazy when he was still faking to Foreman at the end of the game.

 

Drove me crazy when, before our last TD, in 1st or 2nd and goal, we ran the ball and wasted a good 20 seconds or so.

 

I think not.
The defense gives you 3 turnovers and you score zero points.
WR drops a touchdown pass in the endzone.
WR drops pass for first down killing a drive.
FIVE penalties on the opening drive alone!
One missed field goal did not lose this game.

 

No. They did not.
Once again.
The defense gives you 3 turnovers and you score zero points.
WR drops a touchdown pass in the endzone.
WR drops pass for first down killing a drive.
FIVE penalties on the opening drive alone!
And that's just what I can remember.
The offense should have won this game for us.

 

It was not the ONLY thing that lost us the game, but when you lose by 3, it is in fact a thing that lost us the game. See my "everyone's criticisms are correct" thread. Offense, defense, special teams, players and coaches all blew opportunities that could have won us the game.

That game is on everyone.

 

Agreed, Its an aggregation of sloppiness that gets us every week.
I wish we could point to one factor and say that was why we lost. Then we might be able to fix it. But its just a sloppiness that permeates every facet of the team.

 

We missed two field goals and lost by three. Yeah, not recruiting a good field goal kicker in three recruiting classes is a huge reason we didn't get to overtime or win outright. No matter how bad the offense and defense performed, we had a shot in this game with a decent FG kicker.
When the other side keeps the ball for over 38 minutes, there are less offensive possessions.

 

Gilbert and the offense is the one bright side we have. Is he perfect? No, but it was only last year that we could only get past midfield twice the whole game vs Iowa St.

 

2014 at KState Shut out 23-0 0 points 196 offensive yards

2016 at Kstate Lost 24-21 21 points 344 offensive yards

 

Texas is the 29th ranked rush offense
44th ranked pass offense
28th ranked scoring offense


Texas is the 78th ranked rush defense
102nd ranked pass defense
98th ranked scoring defense

 

As others have noted, it doesn't make much sense to run the hurry up every single time. It especially doesn't make sense in light of how bad our defense plays. We need to be able to slow it down too.

K-State had a six minute opening drive. We get out there and do 3 and out in a little over a minute. K-State gets ball back and scores again after another long drive. In the first quarter I think they had the ball for 12 minutes and for the first half they had it for 22 minutes. That's ridiculous.

Isn't one reason for the hurry up to wear down the defense? With 6 minute rest breaks between drives, I don't think we're wearing anybody down.

 

Isn't that an improvement from 104?

 

You guys don't get it. This thread was about Gilbert. You know you can have a conversation about the offense and not talk about the D. You can rate one completely independent of the other. And the point was 21 pts is NOT enough to win in he Big 12. It's that simple. We lost because we didn't score enough points. If he D holds a team to 24 regardless of how they do it, we should win. To win consistently in the Big 12, you have to at least get into the 30s. And he high 30s to boot. The D sucks, we all know it. But the O has not been up to where they need to be to win games the last 2 weeks. Even if we had a good D, O would need to score in the 40s to win next week.

 

Does Gilbert have anything protection in his contract if Charlie gets canned? Surely, he knew the risk.

 

Like I said, having a discussion about Gilbert and the offense just gets met with, "Gilbert is not the problem" much of the time.

 

slowrider,

To get him, there had to be buyout clause. That said, (and I was the first to say "no Greg Davis" before Brown was offered), administration should never be able to dictate assistant coaches. We've done that twice and both were disasters.

 

I ask again..What happened with the kid named Naggar who wanted to walk on this Summer ???? He is a great kicker.

 

KSU probably plays defense differently on our final drive if it's a 1-score game rather than a 2-score game though. They were letting us have the easy stuff.

 

That's because the discussion itself is built around a false premise. The premise, if I'm understanding this correctly, is that Gilbert's "inadequacies" are in anyway near the same freaking stratosphere as Strong/Bedford's on defense and, therefore both are to blame. I'm sorry, but that's just an attempt at whitewashing (it's football's parallel to blaming the East Timorese for all the violence there from 1975-1998). You can ***** all you want about Gilbert, but it doesn't change the facts that:

1) the offense is the bright spot of the team
2) the defense is a tremendous liability (through their own suckitude, not because of how the offense plays), and
3) the kicking game has been shaky at best.

The record Texas has is exactly what you'd expect out of a team built that way. Texas Tech is no different. They're sitting over there with the nation's 2nd best scoring offense and the 1st overall yardage offense, but they rank 127th out of 128 both in scoring defense and total defense. That's precisely why they have the same ****** *** 3-4 record that Texas does. It's not because of Kingsbury's offensive play-calling, either.

When you're dissecting the reasons a team is losing, you have to discuss primary and even secondary reasons. Talk about Gilbert has absolutely no value whatsoever. Again, you're just conceding the defense sucks and therefore ask that the offense pick up the slack. That's not reasonable. What's reasonable is to demand more out of the defense, and that if they cannot deliver, demand they play people who can. If changing players does not improve the situation, then perhaps eyes must be turned to the coaching staff. What you "oh let's just talk about Gilbert since we know Bedford sucks" guys are exhibiting is apathy and acceptance; nothing more.

 

Nope. I, for one, have not said that. For the umpteenth time, I have stated that the offense is not to blame. It has contributed to losses. Discussing the offense and what could have been done better in a game does not mean one has a "hard on" for Gilbert or the offense, as you so eloquently stated in your Grading thread. That is not hard to understand.

 

The reality is that the offense was AWOL for the first halves of the last two games, and finished scoring 27 and 21 points. How else do you judge an offense other than points scored? No question the defense has been bad, but the offense has been digressing as people have seen more and more of it.

 

No. Clearly, you have not heard, but the offense is not the problem.

 

Gilbert should be allowed some adjustment time. At this time in 2015 he was in the AAC with a head coach who was familiar with the offensive concept and a junior at QB. Contrast this to 2016 where the head coach has no grasp of the offense, and a QB who at this time last season was getting ready for the HS playoffs.

Yes people are catching up with the offense; and yes Gilbert currently is unable to make in-game adjustments at any time other than half-time. I blame part of this on what seems to be an overall lack if game preparation in the Texas program (seems that there is no "gaming" for the what if's). The other part is on Gilbert who has to develop the ability to change things as soon as the plan doesn't work. The less than 60 second drives have to stop. This is difficult in Gilbert system as tempo is a part of the plan. He has to develop a plan to slow things down.

No Gilbert is not the reason that the defense cannot tackle or defend against the pass.

 

Why bother, you're just going to beat your head against the wall. It doesn't matter what you write he will twist it, turn it upside down, take it to a different reality if he doesn't like it. You could literally say the sky is blue and if he didn't agree he would post, "HIC says the sky is burnt orange".

 

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