Rival Coach: Strong Not the Answer at Texas...

Discussion in 'On The Field' started by BevoJoe, Oct 23, 2016.

  1. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    [Per 247 Sports:]

    Had to be either a Cal or Notre Dame Ast. Coach is my thought.
     
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  2. slowrider

    slowrider 250+ Posts

    That's extremely weak for a coach from another team to give a reporter those kind of comments. Even if it's true, it breaks the code.

    It sounds to me like a guy that really wants the Houston job.
     
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  3. hornsfan1026

    hornsfan1026 25+ Posts

    Based on my admittedly amateur observations over the last three years, I can't find much to argue with in this guy's assessment. Whether he wants a UT job or not has little to do with whether he is spot on with what he and we see on the field.

    "If you could see what we saw on film . . . . " is a pretty straight-on, damning indictment of the coaching staff's failures. Evidently, the staffs at OSU and KSU saw the same things. I don't see our kids playing soft so much as not being where they need to be. That's on the coaches more than the kids.

    Charlie promised three weeks ago that the defense "will be fixed". It wasn't and ain't.

    Hook you!
     
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  4. Dionysus

    Dionysus Idoit Admin

    I know there are questions about Herman but there are questions about anyone not named Saban, Harbaugh or Meyer at this point, and those guys are not going anywhere. TH is talented and, maybe just as important, he seems hungry to prove himself. I think we would do well to have him locked up for 2017 now. I hope those discussions have already been done and terms are in place.
     
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  5. Run Pincher

    Run Pincher 2,500+ Posts

    "It’s a squandering of talent."

    THIS, is the thing that pisses me off, and I know a number of other people here, the most. It's not the W-L record it's knowing the obvious systemic issues that permeate this program will never enable Texas Football to reach the pinnacle of success even if every recruit is a 5 star athlete.

    Charlie has to go before the program it gets so bad we become Iowa State. With what recruits are now seeing we're likely to loose our top commitments and we certainly aren't going to be signing any Marvin Wilson's. At least with a new coach there's hope. Staying with Charlie is the same as staying on the Titanic.

    Quite honestly I'm mystified as to how Charlie had a winning record even at Louisville.
     
  6. moondog_LFZ

    moondog_LFZ 5,000+ Posts

    Some other coach talking about our coach can shove it up his ***!
     
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  7. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    I'll admit that there's a part of me that hopes UH's recent slump has been about Herman being distracted by some discreet conversations with UT and the opportunity to come here in 2017.

    Having said that, I don't want to hear anything from the people who were nay-saying the CS hire because he didn't have big-time experience and hadn't shown he could coach in a P5 league but now want to go hire Herman. He may well be a better coach than Strong, but if anything, he's proven even less.
     
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  8. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    Herman will probably not be my first choice. That said, he has an outright conference title and Charlie never won one. Herman had a tougher schedule last season than Charlie had at Louisville. Herman's win over Jimbo Fisher is better than Charlie's over Muschamp.
     
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  9. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    I agree with moondog. Some assistant with an opinion on Texas can give his name when giving an opinion or be quiet.

    No more unproven coaches. Herman is not ready for Texas, simple as that.

    Larry Fedora is the right coach for Texas. He is from Texas, has recruiting ties to Texas high school coaches and is a damn good coach. He is the coach that can get us into the playoffs.

    The job he has done at North Carolina is amazing.

    I watched North Carolina play after the Texas game Saturday. What a coaching difference.
    North Carolina was a disciplined football team that is playing better than the talent on the roster. Fedora was coaching his players the entire game, including a backup player at the end of the game that was out of position. Fedora hired Chizek as DC and the defense continues to improve and although doesn't have the talent, the players are coached up to play better than the talent level.
     
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  10. ProdigalHorn

    ProdigalHorn 10,000+ Posts

    He's the one that seems to jump out to me in terms of who we could actually get and who's the most ready to step in.
     
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  11. Sangre Naranjada

    Sangre Naranjada 10,000+ Posts

    Yeah, but when have we ever had success with a coach from UNC?
     
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  12. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I too like Fedora better than the other options. As Dionysus said, we probably are not going to get one of the elite. I am not going to guarantee Fedora wins, because he may fall flat as well, but he looks like the best dice roll at this time to me.

    Also, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that we had a coach from North Carolina that had a pretty good season in 2005 with Gene Chizik as his defensive coordinator. :hookem:
     
  13. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    All true, and, our two legends were not elite until after they came to Texas.
     
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  14. Detective Shilala

    Detective Shilala 2,500+ Posts

    I could see Fedora at Texas. Aside from a few names there are no sure things. Fedora seems like he'd be a solid hire though. UNC may not be elite but it's still a respected athletic program and as Mack showed , a good proving ground for HCs.
    (Houston is too for that matter but I am cooled on Herman )
     
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  15. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    Saban, Sweeny, Meyer and Harbaugh are not coming to Texas so focusing time and funds on their "recruitment" probably isn't an effective use of resources. Further Meyer (slime) and Harbaugh (no long term horizon) are not the type of personalities that would work at Texas.

    Assistant coaches and head coaches from the Group of 5 have more downside risk than Power 5 head coaches. They just do not have the demands on time and functional administrative knowledge and experience that a Power 5 head coach has to have on day one. Herman is where Strong was when he was hired. Anyone up for 3 more years and then seeking a new coach? Fedora has proven he can be effective on Texas' level which puts him above Herman in any objective discussion. There are other Power 5 coaches that could be ok and available, but Fedora seems to have all of the tools (coaching, recruiting and administrative) necessary to turn this boat around.
     
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  16. Htown77

    Htown77 5,000+ Posts

    I have no faith in Fenves and fear he either keeps Strong or hires Herman. I do not know that Fenves or Perrin have the aptitude in hiring coaches to even look at fedora.
     
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  17. K_C_Horn

    K_C_Horn 25+ Posts

    Man we're beating a dead horse here over and over. We know Charlie was not the guy to begin with so let's just accept that fact and move on. We cut him loose at the end of the season and go our separate ways. A sad and unfortunate mistake in our football history.

    I don't know why a lot of dudes on this board are so engrossed with Tom Herman? They've cooled off already by losing to Navy and getting beat decisively by SMU on Saturday! If he's so hot why is he losing to SMU of all people? We fell for this three years ago and I don't think we want to keep making the same mistake by hiring a hot, trendy coach. I don't know I'm just saying.
     
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  18. Chinstrap

    Chinstrap 1,000+ Posts

    Why do prople on this board give credit to some anonymous as----- from who knows where talking about what is going on in our house? Ever hear of "we will deal with our own but outsiders shut the f--- up"!
     
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  19. ViperHorn

    ViperHorn 10,000+ Posts

    The truth is spoken here! :bow:
     
  20. X Misn Tx

    X Misn Tx 2,500+ Posts

    boom
     
  21. LonghornCatholic

    LonghornCatholic Deo Gratias

    Article seemed pretty spot on and has probably been said by more than a dozen other coaches, not too mention 1,000s of fans.

    I guess the only problem is violating "the code", as earlier posted, but i think the anonymous source was pretty accurate.
     
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  22. BevoJoe

    BevoJoe 10,000+ Posts

    It is that!
     
  23. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    No one talking about Chris Peterson from Washington?????
     
  24. SabreHorn

    SabreHorn 10,000+ Posts

    HHD,

    There WERE a couple of deterrents, one being some bad blood caused by Mack Brown's treatment of Harsin, The second is far more serious; his son was seriously ill and one of the world's best doctors for him is in Seattle. I understand the youngster is much better now, but Austin's healthcare is far from stellar, ranking no higher than 7th in the state. He is a northwest guy and may be in his dream job. He might be willing to look if he thinks that USC is going to finally get a great coach adn cut off his recruiting in SoCal. Great coach though.
     
  25. HornHuskerDad

    HornHuskerDad 5,000+ Posts

    SabreHorn, thanks for the info. I was not aware of the medical issue with his son, and I can certainly understand his desire to stay close to effective medical treatment that is working. But he is a terrific coach - did a great job at Boise State and has apparently pulled UWash out of the crapper.
     

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