What would Herman bring to UT?

Based on what facts? Please tell me. I see three tries and three dogsh*t performances. How's the kicker doing this year after ignoring it all off-season???

We're barely better this year than last because the Big 12 sucks major arse compared to last year. Gimme a break, check the records of those we beat when season ends.

I've had it with people assuring everyone Strong will do this or that with zero evidence provided by the man at Texas.

Herman and Fedora are a giant step up to anyone who knows a shred about the game of football. They both proved it the last two years. Both NC and UH would've cleaned our f'n clock this year and last.

Strong's leadership at Texas has been abysmal. 20 coaches could've done better than this garbage with these advantages. Enable some more, it's falling on deaf ears.

Strong is history within days. Doing better than the worst coach in our history won't be a problem. Winning 8+ games at Texas is no great feat or hurdle, it only seems so because an incompetent coach made it appear that way for three years.

 

Brad, you have nothing better to do? Your constant bashing is getting old.

 

Bashing? Truth hurts Bro. Feel free to block my posts. Other than that, you surely won't alter my posting when I feel a shred of desire to do so. I've paid countless $1,000's for over two decades into this program. I've earned my say.

 

It's called living in reality. This current program is garbage.

 

He would bring high expectations that may or may not play out. He might have trouble retaining some of the players, or meshing well with them. He might do well right off the bat, but there is no guarantee of that. He might take three or four years to get the ball rolling, and he might not survive that long if that's what it takes.
I think there will be a divided house if we fire Charley, sad to say, and it is going to take a united front to achieve success. Since the departure of Darrell K Royal, only Mack Brown has united all the disparate factions at UT. It's gonna take a real wizard to put the pieces together if Strong is ousted.
A lot of you don't see this fact. It is easy to say fire Greg Davis, fire Fred, fire Charley, etc. It is hard to find a savior who will please most of the fans, boosters, players, parents, academics, administrators, and internet tough guys who all know better than the coaching staff.
Just my opinion.

 

Sorry but I disagree, it's not that hard for a competent coach.

 

Yeah I get it. Both would be a step up. We need more than that. We need a giant step up. And contrary to the all knowing fortune telling folks out there, I just can't see into the future to know that either of them is that giant step up.

I sure hope so. But even if they are only a small step up, they will be playing with house money next year. This team will be loaded next year. We get nearly everyone from the two deep roster back. Especially a bigger, stronger, smarter QB. That would be Shane, who will be all of 19 years old when the season starts next year, but will have a year of invaluable experience.

 

That sounds better to me than a 4th year of Charlie Strong

 

Most experts predicted the team wouldn't be that great. Freshman QB, youth everywhere. There has been a constant shuffle on the offensive line all year.

Your words don't hurt.

Reality according to who ... You and Brad?
I am willing to bet most on this board didn't play D1 football or are not big league coaches. Most experts predicted a tough season due to youth.

Most of us me included couldn't carry Coaches jock.

 

"He's got a convoy"

All you need is a 1974 Pinto against this team

 

Strong said before the season that the past two years was not good enough, it's time to turn this around and take the next step, and we have the players needed to do so.

Yet we're working on a 5-7 repeat right now losing to 5-5 TCU at home. Even according to Charlie's own words before the season started he failed to get it done.

There are CS quotes on this. But since the loss today will end it, no need to locate.

 

Some experts picked us to win the Big 12. Phil Steele, probably the number one CFB expert, picked us at 9-3. The reality I'm talking about is the one where we're going to have 3 straight losing seasons. We're getting outcoached from game to game with little progress. We're constantly getting beaten by teams that have half our talent. If you can't see that with your own eyes I don't know what I can tell you.

 

We just got outcoached 24-3 in the second half of this one. And a backup QB and RB took over most of the last half for TCU.

 

What would Herman bring? Probably a conference championship in 17 or 18, and a playoff berth in "by" 19. ("By 19" means that it could happen earlier.)

Some of us have been lulled into thinking that it takes years for a program to rebound. No, it does not. With the right coach just watch what happens next year.

I'll be more than happy to admit that I was wrong it is doesn't happen but that won't be necessary. But when the new HC immediately brings this program back to relevance, I just hope that the naysayers will concede and give credit where credit is due.

 

Not even close to true. Regardless of what you think of them personally guys like Herbstreit, Lugenbill, and Desmond Howard all predicted a highly successful season for the horns. Also many of the other commentators, most fans I presume aren't familiar with given the pride they have in never watching anything on espn except for actual games, thought the 'horns were up for a good year. Same thing on fox and cbssports. Hell even Finebaum thought they'd be much better.

 

Herman comes here...I'll go on record now we win 9 games at least next year. Book it, mark it down, hold my feet to the fire.

Some people will get a good lesson the difference solid leadership, prepared head coaching, and a competent staff really makes. Results will come quickly.

We do have the players, and CS did well finding talent, wait til they get dialed in, coached up, and focused properly.

 

I am not sure the talent is there. Herman is where Strong as when he was hired with the only advantage of spending two years as an assistant at Texas.

If the talent is there Herman gets no time to rebuild. However we will find out real quick on 16 September at USC.

 

^This. A good staff wins at least 2 and up to 4 more games this year. That said, I won't totally disagree with the folks making the (lack of) talent argument. We certainly have youth, inexperience, and gaps - that includes QB.

 

Yes, it is so easy to find a competent coach. We certainly haven't had any trouble in Austin, have we?
A&M hasn't had any trouble, have they?
LSU, no trouble.
USC, no trouble.
Baylor, no trouble.
Should I go on?

"Competent" coach equals more than winning a good percentage of the time, especially at Texas. Many may have some of the talents needed, but few have all. What are the historical odds of getting a coach we want to stick around at UT? One in three, one in four?

 

Texas is expected to come to the table with a competitive offer, but the term we keep hearing Herman seeks is “Saban-like control.” There will not be a negotiation; the Longhorns will meet the terms Herman asks or the coach will not come to Austin.

Loco Linko

 

Nine wins is not enough. Ten is minimum with the talent and depth we have coming back.

That would be great. I'll take it. Too bad that's not in stone, is really wishful thinking. But isn't it all wishful thinking till it happens. So when Herman gets here I will be on board, backing him 100%, as I have all Texas coaches.

My concern is that Herman lost to 3 inferior teams this year. I just can't get all that excited about the guy.

No question we need a new coach. I just don't know who it is. Glad for you that you are so sure you know who the next Mack or DKR is.

Your posts are usually very well thought out. Logical. But this statement is simply nonsense. The kind of success we demand at Texas requires a special coach, and they are not, I repeat not, easy to find. They are very, very hard to find. Between DKR and Mack we had quite a spell without a MNC, and with Mack winning B12 titles was really hard.

So if we go four years with the new coach, and we don't win a B12 title, and we do not get into the playoff, then I will be very disappointed. I suspect many on this site will too. And there will be calls for another new coach.

 

Ten is minimum as Caryhorn noted and Charlie said ...

 

No pressure here.

 

Carry & Accurate, I would like to respond to your comments but first I need to understand your definition of a "competent coach."

 

We're Texas, not Baylor or Aggy. Have you seen tOSU and Michigan lately and what their hires did right away?

Texas is that level of program and has the resources to command that level of coaching. Don't blame the program because the current powers that be screwed this up.

According to semi-recent Texas football history the odds are about 3 in 6.

DKR, Akers, and Mack seemed to do pretty well and stick around for a while.

McWilliams, Mackovic, and Strong not so much.

But let's not confuse Strong's level of suckage with the other two.

McWilliams and Mackovic both hit 7+ wins within 3 years. Which allowed the chance to continue on a little longer and both won the conference after hitting 10 wins.

Strong has 3 losing seasons and two straight with 5 wins. Major Applewhite would be a better choice than the worst coach in Texas history.

However, I'd place the current odds at one in one once Herman gets here.

 

So, even you agree that it's 50/50, but your expectation is for a sure thing.? You can well be right, and I hope you are, but I think you let your current frustration set some unreasonable expectations.

 

^ This. I voted in the preseason prediction poll for less than 6 wins and I was in a very small minority thinking that. Also, I did not predict that because we are young. I predicted that because Strong is a bad coach.

 

Brad speaks the truth. Strong is the worst coach in Texas history. Strong is on his on level of bad. Ed Price, David McWilliams and John Mackovic were all better.

Strong has already tied McWilliams for 20 point losses in 20 fewer games.

John Mackovic: 11 20 point losses; 71 games, 6 seasons
David McWilliams: 9 20 point losses; 57 games, 5 seasons
Fred Akers: 9 20 point losses; 119 games, 10 seasons
Charlie Strong: 9 20 point losses; 37 games, 3 seasons
Ed Price: 8 20 point losses; 61 games, 6 seasons

(DKR had 11 and Mack Brown had 14 but that was over 20 and 16 seasons)

 

Anything is a sure thing to wildly improve upon the coach who just won fewer games in 3 years than the guy he replaced did in his final two seasons.

About Herman...his team's effort, preparedness, and performance were top level all the way until Navy, which wasn't even a bad loss since they're now 8-2.

It's not just looking at scores, those who watched that team play know what I mean.

In his first 19 games his only loss was a close 3 pointer on the road to UConn.

LSU fires their coach on 9/26, Herman's floated as the #1 target and all the sudden his team starts playing lackluster and out of character.

Not buying the coincidence. Especially since TH said he met with players then and was completely honest regarding his future.

The evidence before his team was forced to swallow the LSU poison pill showed a highly competent coach who squeezed every ounce out of his players.

We got another glimpse of it against Louisville due to team pride I assume, but that team clearly let off the gas when the rumors turned into digested reality.