The First 100 days

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  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

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  2. mchammer

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  3. texas_ex2000

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    It's two or three airplanes so $1.3B - $2B per unit.

    And there are currently 10 planned Ford Class CVNs with 3 actually appropriated, so the fixed costs are averaged out over more units for carriers and less units for Air Force ONE. The whole Ford Class program is almost $40B* versus $4B for the next gen Air Force ONE.

    Here's another number to put it into perspective. The per unit average cost of our 21 B-2 Spirit Stealth bombers is about $2B - roughly the unit price of a next gen Air Force ONE.

    Upgrades, running costs, are also exponentially more expensive for a carrier than Air Force ONE. And that doesn't even include the purchase and runnings costs for the carrier's air wing and escort ships.


    *Note - I feel compelled to point out that the announced $50B SoftBank investment commitment in early stage US companies is well over 125% of the cost of the entire Ford Class next generation nuclear fleet carrier program.
     
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  4. Joe Fan

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    The "Thank You Tour" continues

    "All Americans from all parties - no matter age, income, or background: join us. Dream big, believe in yourself, and believe in our future."

    "Honoring the legacy of Teddy Roosevelt, we'll protect and preserve our great natural resources for our next generations"

    "We'll have two simple rules when it comes to rebuilding America: Buy American, Hire American."

    "We're going to be good for the world, not just good for our country. People are going to be looking up to America again"


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  5. Joe Fan

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  6. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    What a refreshing change to see the new Pres throw a few compliments at the outgoing Pres
    Classy
    And something not seen at all under the last guy

     
  7. Joe Fan

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  8. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    "Accurately"? Like take his words literally or at least put them in context? The real reason he tweets is so he can put his own spin on the news. Since this media (at least MSM) won't be cheerleaders for him (unlike Lou Dobbs) he cheerleads for himself. Obama got the benefit of some cheerleading early on.
     
  9. NJlonghorn

    NJlonghorn 2,500+ Posts

    Once again, do you make up your own facts, or get them from somewhere else?

    A few days after the election, Obama met with Bush at the White House. An Obama transition spokeswoman called the meeting "productive and friendly". An AP writer said:

    On 12/1/2008, Obama praised Bush for his AIDS relief efforts (link):

    In his inaugural address, Obama thanked Bush for his service to the country, and for "generosity and cooperation" during the transition process:

    After the address and before Bush's formal departure, the Obamas and the Bushes were gracious towards each other:

    Link.

    Obama praised Bush extensively at the unveiling of Bush's official portrait in 2012 (link) and again at the opening of the Bush library in 2013 (link).

    I'm sure there are more examples out there. This is what I could find on short notice.
     
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  10. Seattle Husker

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    Trump deserves a lot of credit for his treatment of Obama on the way out. Given the heat of the campaign and the other areas where Trump continues his campaign tactics I'm pleasantly surprised by the partnership both incoming/outgoing POTUS appear to be demonstrating.
     
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  11. NJlonghorn

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    Definitely. Bush did a great job of putting politics and pride aside to help Obama hit the ground running. Obama is doing the same for Trump. There isn't a lot to be proud of in modern American politics, but transition is one area.
     
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  12. Joe Fan

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    re: The Wall - the failure of this law to be acted upon in the first place is one more explanation for Trump's victory. The reason it was not is mainly due to big money donor pressure on Congress. Was passed and even funded, but then nothing ....

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    "There's no shortage of people telling Donald Trump he can't build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. And maybe, in the end, he won't do it. But at the moment Trump takes office, he will have the legal authority and the money he needs to get started on the wall. Yes, there will be obstacles — what's the over/under on the number of lawsuits that will be filed trying to stop it? — but the fact is, the law is already in place that will allow Trump to go forward.

    As in other areas of immigration enforcement, Trump will be able to effect radical change simply by following the law. In this case, it is the Secure Fence Act, passed in 2006 with bipartisan support — 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate, including then-Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    The law ordered the Secretary of Homeland Security, within 18 months of passage, to "take all actions the secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States........"


    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...d-the-wall/article/2609082?platform=hootsuite
     
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  13. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Which part of the original factual statement do you doubt?
    You do not believe Obama helped Trump with advice on the cabinet? or
    You do not believe Trump complimented him for it?

    Of course I can prove either one of those two things - but I have noticed a pattern with you on things like this. You object, often with some piddling personal insult. Then, once the time is taken to educate you on the facts, you just crabwalk it back with some new form of equivocation. Or, sometimes you just disappear for a week or two hoping everyone forgets what you wrote.

    What is the point? Why dont you just educate yourself instead of making the rest of it do this for you all the time? This is the primary issue with arguing with all lefties, it always takes so long and so much effort to educate you good folks on the basic facts of any issue, that the original argument gets lost. Why does this happen so often? I say it is because guys dont really care about facts, do you? The only thing you do care about is how whatever issue it is "makes you feel."
     
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  14. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Obama is trying to normalize Harry Reid
    Good luck with that
    Has there been a more corrupt, worthless POC than Reid in the Senate in the last 20 years?



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  15. Joe Fan

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  16. Seattle Husker

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    Yeah for emotional responses. Assuming that Chrysler worker is employed, he has UAW to thank for getting paid more than his job is likely worth. I'm not a fan of unions in the modern economy outside of extreme cases but the statement by that "Chrysler worker" is pretty short-sighted.
     
  17. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    No doubt you know more about his life than he does
     
  18. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Unless Trump has personally written him a check then the statement itself is ludicrous based on a rudimentary understanding of the auto industry. By all means, continue to celebrate the ignorance because it advances your us vs. them agenda.
     
  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    OMP (Original Monkey Poop)!
     
  20. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    -- Cognitive Dissonance --
    If Obama did anything during his time, it was to attack George Bush. He used W. as a shield to deflect criticism directed at him. It must take quite a bit of determined focusness to have missed this.

    these first two are particularly amusing in light of what came later --










    he did it so much it became its own joke -- https://youtu.be/Md1HEx1LRbA?t=8
     
  21. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Wait...you're going back to campaigning as Senator Obama? OK. Trump never criticized Obama then? Do you see how you just moved the goalposts?

    Let's review (paraphrase):
    Joe Fan: Trump is great for the cordiality he's demonstrating during the transition (that's the example). Too bad Obama couldn't be cordial.

    NJ Longhorn: Agreed. Example 1, 2 and 3 of Obama and Bush demonstrating partnership during the transition to demonstrate the latter statement was baseless.

    Joe Fan: Senator Obama criticized Bush. POTUS Obama criticized Bush. (End paraphrase)

    Now your initial lauding of Trump doesn't hold water. Trump clearly used rhetoric much worse than Obama in criticizing the sitting POTUS during the campaign trail. Time will tell whether Trump continues to be cordial long after POTUS Obama becomes FPOTUS Obama.
     
  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Ready for at least 4 years of this?

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  23. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Now available in Hebrew


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  24. Seattle Husker

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    More information is coming out about the Carrier deal. As part of the deal, United Technologies will also invest $16M into the plant towards automation. Carrier's parent admits that a "reduction in workforce" will occur when the automation is ready. They won't say how many of the 800 jobs will be eliminated when the capital improvements are implemented. I haven't evaluated the structure of the tax incentives the State of Indiana is offering but one way to look at it is they are subsidizing the automation.

    Seriously, most of these workers are fighting automation and globalization (in that order). Education and career change is their best hope to improve their financial situation.
     
  25. Joe Fan

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  26. Joe Fan

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    Obama trying to take credit, lol

     
  27. Joe Fan

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    so petty

     
  28. Joe Fan

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    These people have no shame ....


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  29. NJlonghorn

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    I agree 100% that Trump and Obama have both done a good job of working nicely and constructively together in the transition process, and I have said so in this thread and elsewhere. There is no need for you to come back now and defend the 2 statements you reiterate in your latest post.

    But your original post made 3 statements. The one you don't mention now was "And something not seen at all under the last guy." I posted a half dozen examples of the "last guy" doing what you said was "not seen at all" under him. Then, you come back on and defend the 2 statements that I didn't attack.
     
  30. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Wait, if Russia was involved in hacking and/or trying to influence the election we shouldn't care? From something I read this morning he did say that the report may not be public if it would disclose intelligence gathering secrets.
     

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