The First 100 days

Discussion in 'West Mall' started by theiioftx, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Both GHWBush and wife Barbara in hospital today
    Here was his letter

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  2. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts






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  3. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Very Classy. This is refreshing compared to the morons on the other side that are boycotting the inaugural. Like we really give a damn what they do.
     
  4. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    JF
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  5. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Translation -- The Justice that the Democrats hate the most is going to swear in Mike Pence using the Bible of the President that the Democrats hate the most

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  6. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Ha! So do I.
     
  7. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    Well, he is just a mediocre Negro, after all. Most likely just an Uncle Tom, too. Because, you know, Trump and his entire administration are all racists.
     
  8. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  9. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Will the 2017 domestic terrorists live up to these past lefty greats?



     
  10. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Good discussion. The Europeans usually bring up a few points on the matter. First, the 2 percent figure is a goal, but it has never been a condition of being in the alliance. That's why the Treaty doesn't require it.

    Second, the 73 percent figure doesn't tell the whole story. You only reach that figure if you consider the entire US defense budget. Well, a lot of that has nothing to do with NATO or defending NATO members. For example, we have tens of thousands of troops in Japan and Korea. Is it fair to consider that? I think that's debatable.

    Third, while it spends a lot on defense, the US has sharply scaled back its commitment to NATO in the last several years. Obviously, in the '90s we cut our presence in Europe due to the fall of the Soviet Union, and that was to be expected. However, we've cut it back a lot just in the last ten years. That had nothing to do with the Soviet Union.

    I think both sides have a point. We shouldn't be publicly crapping on the alliance. That's not helping anybody, and it's encouraging Europe to create an EU Army, which would operate outside the NATO command. That's a bad thing if you aren't a fan of the EU. Furthermore, we shouldn't act as though the 2 percent figure is a rigid requirement when it's not.

    Having said that, European countries are under major security threats from Russia and even worse, from Islamic terrorism. Whether the Treaty requires them to spend 2 percent or not, they should be spending at least that much. Fortunately, many European countries are at least moving in the right direction and increasing their defense budgets, and the US has at least mostly stopped its drawdown in Europe and started to send some troops and equipment to the East. What will Trump so about all that? Who knows? He's a wild card.
     
  11. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    the bikers cometh

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  12. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    vs. these folk

     
  13. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    I'm betting on the bikers if it comes down to fisticuffs, which hopefully it won't.

    Is anybody going to stay home tomorrow to watch the inauguration? I'm sure the media will dramatize any little thing that happens in the way of protest.
     
  14. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    I'm staying home to watch.
     
  15. IvanDiabloHorn

    IvanDiabloHorn 1,000+ Posts

    If the feds were smart, they would have buses at the ready and immediate detain and remove protesters that impede any of the parade route or disrupt the ceremony. Load them on the buses. Once a bus is filled, drive it four hours in any direction and then let them loose on foot. No reason the clog the court system.
    "Where are we?" "The last sign said Fredricksburg, Virginia and we are still rolling".
     
  16. iatrogenic

    iatrogenic 2,500+ Posts

    The next petrol stop is going to be rough.
     
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  17. horninchicago

    horninchicago 10,000+ Posts

    That is the problem right there.
     
  18. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    "The Wall" is a boondoggle. It will slow people down, but it will not prevent people from crossing so long as the huge draw (jobs and citizenship/benefits) are intact. Take away the incentive and the tide will stem. We'll never have a 100% solution because there will always be a black market economy, but upholding E-verify and penalizing employers will solve the vast majority of our problem....and it won't be a tax payer funded fool's errand...."The Wall"
     
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  19. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

  20. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    Agreed. NATO is a valuable alliance. We should not confuse our desire to have a more balanced NATO budget with our desire to be part of the alliance. We are the pied piper in NATO. More often than not, we set the priorities and they follow.

    In general, we have let the whole world chip away at us on international agreements. Most countries are able to take a much longer view and approach to negotiating with us, because their leadership is more stable and this allows them to "take what the defense gives them" to put it in football terms. They ask for a hundred things and when the GOP is in power they'll get 2-3 things, then when the Dems are in power, they get 2-3 different things. Inch by inch the deals tilt a little more toward them and a little less towards us.

    I hope that Trump's blustering is about messaging and setting the tone for the next round of negotiating, rather than an outright dismantling of NATO.
     
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  21. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    I bet a wall will work much better than what we have now.
     
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  22. BrntOrngStmpeDe

    BrntOrngStmpeDe 1,000+ Posts

    I agree, it will slow them down but it doesn't solve the 11 million illegal here already and it will cost a ton of money. Mandating E-verify will cost taxpayers very little, take away one of the major draws and it will make it very difficult for the 11 million already here.

    E-verify with legitimate enforcement is the answer to 80% of the problem.

    A wall requires tons of money up front. Tons of money to maintain. Tons of money to police....and it will still be infiltrated on a regular basis. And the wall is as easily (probably more easily) discarded/disbanded/dismantled than it is to put in place to begin with. The GOP won't be in charge forever. They need to enact laws and policy to control immigration, not placate people with a visual aid.

    We already have sufficient databases to make E-verify a 95% effective screening solution. The cost to screen will be distributed to employers, who can then use free market forces to integrate it into pricing.
     
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  23. Clean

    Clean 5,000+ Posts

    Trump promised to build the wall. He better build the wall.

    It doesn't have to span the whole border, but it needs to at least span the high traffic areas. Combine that with drying up their ability to work in the U.S. by punishing the people who hire them and they'll stay at home.
     
  24. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    1 DAY LEFT!!! :bounce1::yippee::bounce2::yippee::bounce1::yippee::bounce2::yippee::bounce1::yippee::bounce2::yippee::bounce1:

    We will not have to put up with BHO ever again. Yes I know he won't be going anywhere. He won't be respectful by sitting back and allowing the current President to do his job. But he will never have any authority ever again with America.

    :bounce2::yippee::bounce1::yippee::bounce2::yippee::bounce1::yippee::bounce2::yippee::bounce1::yippee::bounce2:
     
  25. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    "Respectful" given Trump's demonstrated behavior may be the most ironic usage of the term in the history of West Mall.
     
  26. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    The campaigns got nasty. Let's see how he will be as a President or after his Presidency toward the next one. I'm guessing he will continue to counter when someone else throws the first punch. It would be easier to forgive Obama had he did a decent job for the country. I can forgive Trump if he turns America back to the right direction.
     
  27. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I would have accepted this reasoning during the campaign but Trump's boorish behavior and treatment of any constructive feedback, no matter how benign, since November has proven that this is Donald Trump. He is the thin-skinned narcissist bully. I do hope he has a positive effect on our country although I suspect my view of positive is different than yours just as my view of Obama's job performance is in contrast to yours.
     
  28. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    That sounds just like the description I would say about Obama. But it does look like Trump will be willing to talk to the other side. Obama didn't talk to the other side for 8 years.
     
  29. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    This conversation is going nowhere. We'll simply have to agree to disagree.
     
  30. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I hope so too, but here's the problem. Trump is detested in Europe, and it's not even in the same ballpark as in the US. I think the case can be made for these countries to boost their defense budgets. Terrorism and Russia are big issues here. However, if European countries have a choice between increasing their defense budgets to appease Trump and allocating money to back an EU military, the latter is going to be a much easier sell.
     

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