The First 100 days

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  1. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    This will get interesting. Remember when the Heritage foundation became the Trump transition team? It appears their budget ideas are about to be Trump's proposal. I like the desire to trim the federal budget. It's impossible to have a measurable impact without hitting entitlement and military spending. Absent that you're just nibbling at the edges.

    Most of us can agree we need to make some deep cuts. The challenge is when you evaluate the details. For example, eliminating the Legal Services Corporation essentially removes a primary funding mechanism to our public defender system. They guilty don't really need a lawyer, right? There is a lot of red meat in there for the conservatives. Of the things listed below I'd be most concerned about some of the Energy dept. hits.

     
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  2. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Europeans don't like to be bullied? Really? :lmao:
     
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  3. mchammer

    mchammer 10,000+ Posts

    They are closing various offices, but does that mean the function too? Or is it just scaled back?
     
  4. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    I actually ran across this when it aired. I guess it depends upon one's own confirmation bias ... did Fox get punked or was the truth, as Carson said, they'd "done their homework" and actually sought to demonstrate how easy it was to fool people?

    It appears SH believes the former.

    Given Carlson was very pointed and aggressive ... I think the latter truly is the reality.

    But I wasn't in the producer's cranium, so I cannot be certain, either.
     
  5. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Your guess is as good as mine. Clearly some media have their hands on an early draft of the plan or are simply extrapolating things based on plans that have been introduced repeatedly in Congress.
     
  6. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    I'm not saying Carson got punked. Afterall, he pushed this person to expose themselves. Did he know they were fake before or simply wanted to embarrass them and stumbled into them being phony? Though I think Carson himself is a phony, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

    My point was the Anne Coulter and other right-wing media (nearly all the big players) got caught reporting something they wanted to be true. I'd wager each of these sites were incredulous in attacking Buzzfeed for their reporting on the "dossier".

    Hey...it happens to left-wing media too. If you only read this board you'd think it's 100% left wing media behavior. I'll go back the lack of editors. there is such a rush to get "news" out quickly that nobody verifies the information any more.
     
  7. ShAArk92

    ShAArk92 1,000+ Posts

    OK ... my apologies, SH. I thought you were following the opinion of the WaPo article you linked. The author was clear in her estimation.

    I didn't know about Anne Coulter being caught in "two-lipsos" grandiose production. That's funny ... and I generally like Anne Coulter. Do you know if she's "mea culpa'd" yet?
     
  8. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Well, they don't mind be bullied, but they don't like being bullied by Trump.
     
  9. Horn6721

    Horn6721 10,000+ Posts

    Mr D
    Is it mostly Trump saying the countries have to contribute more to NATO?
     
  10. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Morning in America

     
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  11. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    Well, let's be clear. They don't like him because he's not like them in both style and substance. He's a nationalist, says racist things, appeals to religious conservatives, and shoots his mouth off with reckless abandon. They think nation states and religions start wars and that international institutions and secularism prevent wars. Furthermore, they think that politicians should mostly be rhetorically disciplined and measured (like most mainstream European politicians are). Accordingly, Trump could be pro-NATO, and they would still generally dislike him.

    Let's be clear on another point as well. Not all European politicians are upset that Trump won. Some are publicly pro-Trump. I met with one on Monday. Marine Le Pen, who's running for President of France, represents the National Front party and is also vocally pro-Trump. Seattle Husker's girlfriend, Frauke Petry, represents the Alternative für Deutschland Party and is also publicly pro-Trump. Hungarian President Viktor Orban is publicly pro-Trump. There are also European politicians who are publicly hostile to Trump but are privately glad he won, because they want to realign Europe without US influence and see his election as an opportunity to do that. Some are far right people who want to align with Vladimir Putin (though most of them are now publicly pro-Trump), but most are far left people who want to pull Europe from its current democratic socialism model to full blown Marxism and transition it into a massive tool of global wealth redistribution.

    However, the mainstream political parties and institutions in Europe (both at the national and EU levels) are overwhelmingly hostile to Trump and genuinely displeased that he won and fear what's going to happen with NATO. It's easy to jump to the conclusion that it's because he wants them to pitch in more money, but there are two problems with this. First, that's not a new criticism. Even Obama referred to NATO members as "free riders," and they're mostly favorable to him, though significantly less so than they used to be. Second, most NATO countries are increasing their defense budgets, so they don't even fully disagree with the criticism themselves.

    The big difference maker is that Trump doesn't unequivocally state that the US would defend a NATO ally that gets attacked. Essentially, he is saying the United States might breach the treaty. That's the real controversy, because if we breach the treaty or Vladimir Putin thinks we'd breach the treaty, Europe would be at its greatest risk of a major war breaking out for the first time since 1945. It's a big deal.
     
  12. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    Please cite 3 examples.
     
  13. Joe Fan

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    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts



     
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  15. nashhorn

    nashhorn 5,000+ Posts

    Leave it to SH to prove the 'I'm for it till it hurts me argument'. As loudly as anyone I scream about cutting government costs but eliminating public defender assistance hits home since my daughter is one. Makes sense in life cycles though that there would be some repercussion because her city just this year went to a bonifide pay system where they actually put them into a pay scale that is almost reasonable. That's life, get a raise or a boost, then a unpredicted 'challenge'.
     
  16. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    I'm not interested in derailing the point by getting into a pissing match over what is and is not a racist statement
     
  17. Seattle Husker

    Seattle Husker 10,000+ Posts

    Don't get me wrong...I could live without it but merely pointed it out as an example that on the surface looks like "government waste" but supports some core values of our Democracy. There will be very hard choices to make. My larger statement was that the primary area to cut costs may be ignored (entitlement and military).
     
  18. Phil Elliott

    Phil Elliott 2,500+ Posts

    How can I "get into a pissing match" with you when I don't even know what you think is a racist statement?

    Teaching moment: When someone calls you out on a statement you made, and you have nothing, the phrase that pays is, "I am not even going to dignify that with an answer."

    #KnowYourCliches
     
  19. Mr. Deez

    Mr. Deez Beer Prophet

    That's the whole point of not answering you. If I do answer you, you'll deny that the statements are racist since it's Trump making them. Then I'll try to explain why they are, and the pissing match begins. And while that's happening, the far more important point on NATO would get lost.

    Think what you want. Most people know that coming up with 3 racist statements by Trump would be pretty easy to do.
     
  20. I35

    I35 5,000+ Posts

    Phil, the racist card is so over played by the other side. They use that for silencing people they don't agree with. Example: if you give official stats from the FBI files like in 2013, 52% of all murders were committed by 2% of the US population, which were Black males ages 14 to 46 years old. You are a racist for stating that fact. Really only the looney left call Trump a racist anymore. But some here when watching the news hear over and over by his critics that Trump is a racist start actually believing it without much thought .....or they just want to believe it so they tend to take whatever the claim is and justify it as racist in their mind. He was never called a racist before running for President.

    I listen to the Larry Elder show on the radio on my way home every weekday. He is a black host and every time a black caller calls into his radio and start calling Trump a racist, he challenges them on "what did he say that is racist toward the black population?" Not once can they answer it. As far as other races goes like the Hispanic population, what has he said that wasn't true and not taken out of context? It's mindboggling that even smart people throw that out there with nothing to back it.
     
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  21. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

  22. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    LA street artist

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  23. Joe Fan

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  27. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    In a weekend while the US media was busy masturbating to its own image ....

    Trump --
    killed the Obamacare mandate (which undoes one of its basic foundations)
    killed the TPP,
    began the re-negotition of NAFTA,
    began his push to cut taxes, and
    began his push to slash anti-bussiness federal regulations
     
  28. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    That was fast.
    Took only two days to do what Obama couldn't do in years

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  29. Joe Fan

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  30. Joe Fan

    Joe Fan 10,000+ Posts

    Although you would not know this from the lazy, biased US media, but Trump met today with a group of trade union leaders. That is correct -- on his first "working day" in office, the new Republican President chose to meet with Democratic union leaders. It seems significant to me. All of these union folk endorsed Hillary. And yet they all came away with gushing praise of Trump. You would think might have generated a little ink. But no.

    In Ohio, Trump won approximately 50% of union households. Not many Rs in history have ever repeated that. It is kinda crazy. This stuff matters but the media wont cover because it might make Trump look good which, as should be clear to everyone by now, they do not want to do. They will bend over backwards trying to make Spicer look bad than cover a story like this. But it is the Democrats who will be the ones paying the price for this over the long run.

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